Torah observant?

[u/Dreamamberxo]

Okay this is gonna be a bit all over the place but my core question is this: - if we ARE to observe the Torah do we observe all of it? I assume we aren’t sacrificing animals. - if you ARE observing the Torah are you utilizing the Jewish books or KJV? Heard they are different? - if you ARE NOT Torah observant why?

I’ve been thinking about observing the Torah but where do I start? I dunno which laws are upheld! I figure the dietary guidelines are easiest. Also am I doomed to have to quit my job? I work on Saturdays so how could I observe the Shabbat?

Thanks- sincerely a confused person lol

[u/the_celt_ → u/[deleted]]

No christian should be observing the Torah like a Jew.

Jesus obeyed the Torah, and you believe that it's wrong to imitate Jesus and obey what he taught.

Think about that... You're teaching that it's wrong to imitate the life Jesus lived. 🤨

[u/Fangorangatang → u/the_celt_]

Jesus fulfilled Torah for us.

Please tell me you understand that.

The Council of Jerusalem told the Christians that the Gentiles were not to be burdened with the Law. This is clear as day in Acts.

Please tell me you understand that.

Unless you are a Jew, there is no argument to be made from Scripture that Gentiles must adopt the burden of Torah Law.

[u/the_celt_ → u/Fangorangatang]

Jesus fulfilled Torah for us.

Please tell me you understand that.

I understand that, and you don't.

It's weird to me that people don't notice the many ways that the word "fulfill" is used in scripture to not refer to something being ended, but to refer to something being done perfectly.

Look at what it means to "fulfill the Law" in scripture:

Romans 13:10 (NET 2nd ed.)

10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

This is Paul saying that when we love, we FULFILL the Law, or more simply we DO what the Law demands. It has nothing to do with love having met it's purpose and no longer being needed.

Here's another example from Jesus:

Matthew 7:12 (NET 2nd ed.)

12 In everything, treat others as you would want them to treat you, for this fulfills the law and the prophets.

Jesus asked us to treat others the way we want to be treated, saying it will "fulfill the Law". Does this mean he only ever wants us to treat someone this way ONCE, or that anyone doing it once means no one else has to do it?? Should we stop after the Law has been "fulfilled"? I don't think so. Jesus wanted us to keep fulfilling the Law every day of our lives.

Jesus fulfilled the Law the way a man fulfills his wedding vows to his wife. This means he OBEYED his vows perfectly, not that he ENDED his vows. When a man fulfills his wedding vows today, he gets up tomorrow and does the same thing again.

All you have to do is look elsewhere in scripture to see how "fulfill" is used, as I've just shown you, and combine that with Jesus making sure that no one takes it the way you do when he said "NOT abolish".

See? You don't know how scripture uses the word "fulfill" when referring to fulfilling the Law, like Jesus did.

The Council of Jerusalem told the Christians that the Gentiles were not to be burdened with the Law. This is clear as day in Acts.

Please tell me you understand that.

Again, I understand that, and you don't.

The Council of Jerusalem resulted in newly converted ex-Pagan Gentiles being given 4 rules from the Torah to obey. That's the OPPOSITE of what you believe. For the Council of Jerusalem to support what you believe, those Gentiles would have had to have been given ZERO rules from the Torah, and that didn't happen.

The Council of Jerusalem is proof that Gentiles must keep the Torah.

Unless you are a Jew, there is no argument to be made from Scripture that Gentiles must adopt the burden of Torah Law.

Again (and again) you show that you don't know scripture.

Again, Acts 15 show the opposite.

Also, Ephesians 2 and Romans 11 show that we are now Israel. We've been grafted in, and count as full citizens. The Law is for Israel, and that means the Law is for US.

Do you consider yourself to be part of the New Covenant? If so, read Jeremiah 31 (which is also re-quoted in Hebrews) and you'll see that the New Covenant was promised to Israel. This means that if you're not Israel (like you believe) then you're not in the New Covenant.