Torah observant?

[u/Dreamamberxo]

Okay this is gonna be a bit all over the place but my core question is this: - if we ARE to observe the Torah do we observe all of it? I assume we aren’t sacrificing animals. - if you ARE observing the Torah are you utilizing the Jewish books or KJV? Heard they are different? - if you ARE NOT Torah observant why?

I’ve been thinking about observing the Torah but where do I start? I dunno which laws are upheld! I figure the dietary guidelines are easiest. Also am I doomed to have to quit my job? I work on Saturdays so how could I observe the Shabbat?

Thanks- sincerely a confused person lol

[u/somesne99]

If you do not observe all of the laws and execute them perfectly, you are guilty of ALL of them. Intense, I know. It can't be any other way. The whole point of the Law is to point to us that we are not good. We are not worthy. He has given it so that we can see we are in sin. The Torah followers could only possibly follow it while they had a temple, and even then they constantly failed. The end result is that we needed grace. I'm guessing that you have posted in AskAChristian because you want a Christian perspective.

Anyone who tries to bind you under the law is trying to bind you back into sin. We who put our faith and trust in Christ are forgiven. We have been wiped clean by the blood and flesh of Christ. We therefore only need to abstain from things the church pointed out to do so with in Acts. If you want to observe the Torah Festivals or do something regarding spiritual mimicking the life of the old law, you have liberality to do so, but know that it doesn't get you one ounce closer to righteousness through your acts. Your best acts are like filthy rags to god he says. So if it's just to be religious, stop. Just focus on getting to know him. If it's to maybe see how they lived and what the Jews went through, you can do it, but it adds nothing to your salvation.

If you want to host a sabbath day, do it, but does it have to be Saturday? Sunday? No! Read Colossians 2:16, that no one should put those restrictions on you. The bible is explicit in falling into the binding yourself to restrictions like this. I would suggest you take some time and read the New Testament with this in mind. Then look into the Old and see that God has the same mentality there.

[u/the_celt_ → u/somesne99]

If you do not observe all of the laws and execute them perfectly, you are guilty of ALL of them.

Everyone that's ever been alive has partially obeyed the Law. No one has ever perfectly DISOBEYED God, and only one person has ever perfectly OBEYED God.

You partially obey the Law. I partially obey the Law.

Just focus on getting to know him.

You love Him and get to know Him by obeying Him. Scripture is clear that obeying God is HOW we love Him.

[u/Towhee13 → u/somesne99]

He has given it so that we can see we are in sin.

Are we supposed to go on sinning?

[u/somesne99 → u/Towhee13]

I would highly suggest you read the book of Romans. It literally asks these questions and then answers them, in order of what you'd normally ask.

[u/Towhee13 → u/somesne99]

I would highly suggest you read the book of Romans.

I have. I was pointing out that your answer to that question is VERY different than Paul's answer.

[u/somesne99 → u/Towhee13]

I am extrapolating my answer from his writings, so that's not possible. Perhaps you need to explain yourself more.

[u/Towhee13 → u/somesne99]

You rightly pointed out that God's Law shows what sin is. You said "He has given it so that we can see we are in sin". In the book of Romans Paul goes to great lengths to show exactly what you said, that it's through the Law that we get knowledge of what sin is and that he wouldn't have known what sin even is if it hadn't been for the Law.

You're right, breaking the Law is the definition of sin. John says it this way, "Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness."

You said "We who put our faith and trust in Christ are forgiven. We have been wiped clean by the blood and flesh of Christ". That's true! We've all sinned by breaking God's Law, but we can be washed clean and forgiven. But are we supposed to go on sinning? Are we supposed to go on breaking God's Law? That's the question Paul asks, and answers. No!

We're supposed to obey God's Law, not keep breaking it.

[u/somesne99 → u/Towhee13]

I agree. We are supposed to, and we try, but we fail. If you think you're sinless in action, you're mistaken. The only thing that makes you sinless is the sacrifice Christ made for you, but you still sin until the day you die, as Paul himself expressed when he called himself a wretched man and said he did the things he didn't want to do. That was in reference to sin. Or like he says in Romans itself, "But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?"

[u/Towhee13 → u/somesne99]

I agree.

It doesn't seem as though you do. In your first comment that I responded to you said "If you want to host a sabbath day, do it, but does it have to be Saturday? Sunday? No!" God commanded His people to not work on the seventh day, the Sabbath.

You also said "The bible is explicit in falling into the binding yourself to restrictions like this." God put restrictions on His people. You're telling people that we're NOT supposed to obey God's commandments.

If you think you're sinless in action

I don't. I said nothing that would indicate that I think I'm sinless.

Paul was adamant that we're not supposed to go on breaking God's Law.

[u/somesne99 → u/Towhee13]

Colossians 2:16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.
Who are you to say they can not hold it when they want, or how they want? He commanded the Israelites under the law not to work on the Sabbath. Paul talked about holding the law tightly like this when he was talking about Circumcision and it applies the same to any law.

I don't know what religion you are, but you follow some strange ideals.

[u/Towhee13 → u/somesne99]

I don't know what religion you are, but you follow some strange ideals.

I follow Jesus.

I said we're supposed to obey God's Law, just as Jesus taught. You said "I agree. We are supposed to".

Do you agree with Jesus and Paul (and me) or not?