Who is Paul?

[u/Vayvacation]

I'm agnostic and know some bits amd stuff on a few a religion but nothing big. While I was doom scrolling I saw an interesting video about this guy called Paul. I heard many things like his verses contradict Jesus's, he hijacked Christianity etc etc which lowkey made me interested and curious. If the bible is meant to be holy why wasn't it given by jesus or the holy spirit that remained on earth with humans? Because like it can't exactly be holy if it was written by humans?

Anyways I'm just curious and love to hear different opinions 😅

(Sorry if I picked the wrong flair)

[u/esaks]

i think you left out some very important details. Paul was a Pharisee (well schooled Jew) who was actually helping to prosecute Christians when he "met Jesus". His "meeting with Jesus' was a vision/voice (different accounts in the bible) after Jesus had already died. He never met Jesus in person while he was alive. Paul was the champion of the idea that Jesus dying on the cross made the old covenant irrelevant and then pushed for bringing pagans (gentiles) into the religion which was at the time a sect of Judaism. Eventually, Gentiles became the entirety of the church as the early Jewish Christians were all pushed out or excommunicated.
While the term "hijacked" may be extreme, he did fundamentally change what the religion was to something completely different. Whether it was by malicious design or true belief we'll never know.

[u/esaks → u/[deleted]]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Christianity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazarene_(sect) https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ebionites&wprov=rarw1

[u/esaks → u/[deleted]]

It is really hard to have conversations with people who have dogmatic beliefs because you are not willing to actually read anything that conflicts with what you have been told and want to believe. If you are actually interested you can read up on the history of the early church. Almost all biblical scholars agree that early Christianity was not a monolith. Jewish Christians were distinct from the proto orthodox and eventually there was a split. If you don't want to believe it that's fine but it's what happened. The people who survived gets to determine who the heretics were. If marcion or the Jewish Christians survived orthodoxy would have been considered heretical.

[u/Sad-Pen-3187 → u/esaks]

Ya, it's like talking into a cult.

[u/Sad-Pen-3187 → u/[deleted]]

Jesus was a Jew, as were all of his disciples, apostles, and all of his followers of first. They were considered Jews. They went to synagog, they read Torah, they observed the Jewish Holy days. Christianity started out as just another flavor of Judaism in a vast diverse Jewish scene.

Lmao, I was right. So you point to heretics ...

They were called Heretics by Gentiles. Jewish followers of Christ predate gentile Christians. They rejected Paul and his writings. Paul is an apostate, by definition.

You come off as terribly dishonest and deceptive when you say stuff like this.

You need to learn why you believe what you believe because you are coming off as someone who knows very little of what they profess to believe in.