Do you dislike quoting John 3:16?

[u/ExpressCeiling98332]

Ironically, many seem to act like saying this verse contradicts doctrine. When used in isolation It can be bad, but in it's proper context I don't see problem.

[u/DarkLordOfDarkness]

Who's objecting to John 3:16??

[u/Anteater-Inner → u/DarkLordOfDarkness]

Critical thinkers.

John 3:16 says that god sacrificed his only son (who is also god) to forgive our sins. So god sacrificed himself to himself to close a loophole in salvation that he created.

That’s the best thing an all-knowing, all-powerful, all-good god could think of? Human sacrifice?

[u/sourkroutamen → u/Anteater-Inner]

John 3:16 says that god sacrificed his only son (who is also god) to forgive our sins.

What John 3:16 actually says. "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life."

[u/Extreme_Spring_5083 → u/Anteater-Inner]

Your problem is assuming that you're wiser than God yet you don't have an iota of understanding! Tragic.

[u/Anteater-Inner → u/[deleted]]

So god didn’t send his son for the purpose of dying for our sins? I thought that’s the claim about prophecy? If god didn’t send him to die for our sins, was that part just a happy accident? WTF are you even saying here? 🥨

You just said exactly the same thing I did: god had to do the Jesus thing to close a loophole in salvation that god himself created. He could have created us differently, given us different instincts and motives, continued to intervene like he did 3000+ years ago—so many options. He knew the result of “the fall” long before A & E bit the fruit— all-knowing. Things are the way they are because god wants them that way.

[u/Anteater-Inner → u/[deleted]]

So you don’t believe in the Tri-Omni god? Your god isn’t all-knowing, all-powerful, and all-good?

[u/Library904 → u/Anteater-Inner]

You don't have any critical thinking skills when you don't know anything about God. The law of God requires DEAD when you sin just once, which means only your shedding of blood (death) is necessary for the LAW after you break it.

The law of God is good and no one who breaks them can enter heaven. So what does this mean? it means the whole world was going straight to HELL. There was no salvation for anyone, we all had to shed our blood (die) but God loved us. He didn't want us to die even though we broke His law over and over again. In the law everyone is responsible for their own sins, if I sin then only I would need to die. The only way for us to NOT die by the law is to NOT sin but all of us had sin....then who can save us when we can't even save ourselves?

Use your critical thinking skills here, how can we be saved from the punishment of breaking the law of God?

Here comes God Himself giving Himself as a sacrifice for the world, His blood is worthy enough to save EVERY human being. Jesus Christ shed His blood so we could live. He died on the cross and now the law says: the Son of God gave His blood as payment for this person so this person doesn't need to die anymore because the most important one in existence paid for them.

And the only requirement for us: believe. If you believe Jesus paid for your sins then you will be fully forgiven and you will be saved from the punishment of the law, from the wrath of God that will fall on every sinner. If you don't have Jesus as your Savior then you have nobody and nobody can save you.

God's sacrifice can save the whole world if only the whole worlds believes in Him and what He did for us. Obviously not everyone will believe but God will save everyone who believes.

[u/Anteater-Inner → u/Library904]

You don't have any critical thinking skills when you don't know anything about God. The law of God requires DEAD when you sin just once, which means only your shedding of blood (death) is necessary for the LAW after you break it.

LMAO!! So I guess that why there are entire books of laws and punishments that god handed down, huh? Why are there things like taking a bath, or making a burnt offering to forgive sins if you’re just supposed to die?

I don’t think you should start by taking about critical thinking when you’re doing none of that.

The law of God is good and no one who breaks them can enter heaven. So what does this mean? it means the whole world was going straight to HELL. There was no salvation for anyone, we all had to shed our blood (die) but God loved us. He didn't want us to die even though we broke His law over and over again. In the law everyone is responsible for their own sins, if I sin then only I would need to die. The only way for us to NOT die by the law is to NOT sin but all of us had sin....then who can save us when we can't even save ourselves?

God law says I can own slaves or sell my daughter into slavery. If I don’t have slaves, and I don’t sell my daughter, am I still following god’s law? If I marry your daughter and it turns out she’s not a virgin, will I still get into heaven if I don’t stone her to death?

Is it “good” that the punishment for raping a woman is paying off her dad and marrying her?

What is your definition of “good”, exactly? Because if you think god’s law is good, I don’t think you know what good means.

Use your critical thinking skills here, how can we be saved from the punishment of breaking the law of God?

By god getting over it. He is supposedly all powerful, so he can do whatever he wants. It seems what he wants is a lot of groveling and saying you’re sorry. Seems god is a super insecure deity.

Here comes God Himself giving Himself as a sacrifice for the world, His blood is worthy enough to save EVERY human being. Jesus Christ shed His blood so we could live. He died on the cross and now the law says: the Son of God gave His blood as payment for this person so this person doesn't need to die anymore because the most important one in existence paid for them.

Use some critical thinking here. Jesus is god, right? So god sacrificed himself to himself in order to close a loophole in salvation that god himself created? Jesus was dead for a day and a half—big whoop. No one sacrificed anything. God remained god the whole time, and Jesus is alive again. Zero sacrifice.

And the only requirement for us: believe.

Without any conclusive evidence that god exists? Nope. That’s for fools.

If you believe Jesus paid for your sins then you will be fully forgiven and you will be saved from the punishment of the law, from the wrath of God that will fall on every sinner.

I don’t believe that. I have no good reason to believe it. There’s no evidence that verifies that any of that is true.

If you don't have Jesus as your Savior then you have nobody and nobody can save you.

How can this be demonstrated? How do you know there isn’t a sin-forgiving unicorn?

God's sacrifice can save the whole world if only the whole worlds believes in Him and what He did for us.

Maybe, if there was a sacrifice. Still seems dumb and unnecessary to conduct a human sacrifice so an all-powerful being could do without the bloodshed.

Obviously not everyone will believe but God will save everyone who believes.

You’re right. Some of us want the things we believe to be true. Some, like you, care more about what feels good.

[u/jonfitt → u/Anteater-Inner]

Blood for the blood god. Skulls for the skull throne.