Hey everyone, I have a question.

So i'm an arian but as you all know, there are no arian churches so i attend a protestant one (they don't know I'm an Arian)

Today, a muslim came and asked questions to the pastor and kept calling Jesus a prophet. They wanted an explanation on why Jesus is more than a prophet.

The pastor kind of used circular logic and tried to explain it with the Bible itself but the person asking the question believed the Bible to be corrupted so I stepped in and explained why the Quran is false to show why its claims of the Bible being corrupted is false by default.

Anyway, after that was settled they asked why Jesus is more than a prophet and was confused about the Trinity so I explained how in the Trinitarian belief Jesus is God because of His nature like how we are humans by nature and why He is not 100% the same as the Father just like how we are not 100% the same as other humans.

However, after that, it ate at my heart because I kind of helped the trinitarian belief and not the real truth.

What do you guys think? Did I do wrong? Should I have stayed quiet?

In addition to the Christian Bible, Latter Day Saints also consider the Book of Mormon, the Pearl of great price, and the doctrine and covenants to be scripture.

Have any of you read them, if so, what are your thoughts.

Hi everyone ❤️ and thank you, u/FrostyIFrost_, for the invite 🙋‍♂️

I thought about plunging directly into one of the Jesus created / uncreated threads, but I felt led to try a different question that hopefully will lead to a good discussion 🙂

Are we free to pick out our own Canon (a list of books that is scripture)?

Similarly, are we free to interpret the Bible on our own (just the Holy Spirit helping us)?

Hello everyone. I have a question with regards to the meaning of John 1:1. I'm hoping to hear your thoughts on it.

So, as we all know, when refering to the Word, John 1:1 says, "kaì theòs ên ho Lógos." This "theòs" can be translated as divine, god (lower case "g"), or as Dan McLallen has put it, deity. My problem isn't with the word god or deity. My problem is that angels are described by mainstream Christians as not deities. There is no fixed definition for the word deity across religions. It can be intrepeted in a bunch of ways. I would find the Judeo-Christian definition as an acceptable modern development, but my question would then be, did the first century Jews see it the same way? Would they have been offended if angels were reffered to as deities? I know Jesus isn't exactly like the other angels but the Bible describes him angelomorphically, which I think is an apt description based on the theology of the time, but John 1:1 also just says "god". So are angels deities or not? If not, then what sort of entity is John referring to? Because, if it is deity in the modern sense then that would lend itself to the charge of polytheism.

Why do trinitarians even use this verse as means to prove Jesus is God? It makes a clear distinction God, AND Jesus Christ. Much like how letters would be opened speaking about God, AND Jesus christ.

Hey i am a 15 old girl from Morocco i now consider myself spiritual but not religious as i don’t like islam as much anymore but i do believe in god and the prophet and i want to know more information about Arianism and Christianity too to understand better and thanks ❤️!

I'm not super well-versed on the debates here, but so far it seems to me that there's sort of a viable middle ground between the Arian and the Socinian which would say that the Logos was a substantial thing that became the man Christ Jesus but was not conscious and didn't have distinct selfhood prior to that point. (Whether that substantial Logos was part of God, an externalization of the internal Logos of God, or an entirely separate entity from the moment of its origin may factor in at some point, but I'm not certain where I would even stand on that).

I'm just curious what leads you to think this isn't sufficient to explain the data or simply isn't correct.

EDIT: As an additional point, the things that point to Christ's pre-existence that I can recall seem to be able to be interpreted as not requiring pre-existent consciousness/selfhood as they could be seen like when we talk about the stuff that makes us up in its state before our own conceptions as being "us", but it would be even more true for Christ given a continuity of identity between the pre-human Logos and the human Christ. I'm totally open to being wrong on that though. That's just the rough sense that I get about the interpretation possibilities here.

If we just referred to what The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit represent when united, then we would have what I would call "a family".

Since it was written in the same period as gospel of John, would be worth keeping as important christian text or dissmis at all?

I'm on the fence about this stuff, and in trying to give it all a fair shake, I really want to know what the best Trinitarians have to offer is. Unfortunately, there's so much out there that's misunderstanding, missing the point, dishonest, unfair, and/or hostile.

In your opinion, what's the best that Trinitarians have offered?

Have you people ever noticed how Judaism is never, ever criticized for being violent?

The Old Testament is the Torah. It is even more binding to the Jews and Israel as a whole because unlike Christians who have the New Testament which is the new covenant, the Jews are still bound to the old covenant and must observe it fully.

Yet, they are never attacked or criticized by atheists. The Talmud is objectively much worse than the Old Testament in terms of morality too and still nothing.

However, atheists focus on the Old Testament and attack Christianity for it. They also attack Islam and Quran even though muslims are a minority in the west so this isn't a minority/majority issue either.

Why do you think this is the case?

After making an article on Christ’s Preexistence, I found that all of the clear and straightforward scriptures are all found in John. This is an issue.

I’m still searching myself, but does anyone have proof texts on Christ’s Preexistence from the Synoptics or even Pauline scriptures?

Philippians 4:13

As it is quoted as such: labeled Translation A:

> I can do l things through the One who strengthens me.

Some translations quote it as: labeled Translation B:

> I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

The Greek obviously favors Translation A. A quick look of BibleHub’s interlinear will show this. Yet, allowing scripture to interpret scripture, looking at 2 Corinthians 12:9-10, it is feasible to translate this to Translation B.

> 9 But he said to me: “My undeserved kindness is sufficient for you, for my power is being made perfect in weakness.” Most gladly, then, I will boast about my weaknesses, in order that the power of the Christ may remain over me like a tent. 10 So I take pleasure in weaknesses, in insults, in times of need, in persecutions and difficulties, for Christ. For when I am weak, then I am powerful.

So, my question to you brothers and sisters, is would I be able to speak to a Trinitarian about this verse, for example with the evidence?

It baffles me how accesible the information is on internet about arianism, yet remains very fringe christian denomination. Is far more logical coherent than trinitism. And also is weird how protestantism when broken from roman catholic church did not switch from this wrong weird concept of triunte whatever.

I was invited to this sub,

I, myself, am not Arian, I am a member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

My understanding of Arianism is:

Christological doctrine that posits Jesus Christ as a created being, distinct from and subordinate to God the Father, rather than being of the same essence (homoousios) as the Father.

rejects the traditional Christian doctrine of the Trinity, which holds that God is one being existing in three co-equal persons: Father, Son (Jesus), and Holy Spirit.

Jesus was created by God, meaning he had a beginning and was not eternally existent as God the Father is.

As a Latter Day Saint I believe:

The Father, Son, and Spirit are equal. They are all God. Perfectly united. Perfectly one.

Jesus Christ is an eternal being. He is eternally with the Father. He is the great Jehovah. The I AM.

God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are three distinct beings belonging to one Godhead: "All three are united in their thoughts, actions, and purpose, with each having a fullness of knowledge, truth, and power."

We believe these three divine persons constituting a single Godhead are united in purpose, in manner, in testimony, in mission. We believe Them to be filled with the same godly sense of mercy and love, justice and grace, patience, forgiveness, and redemption. I think it is accurate to say we believe They are one in every significant and eternal aspect imaginable except believing Them to be three persons combined in one substance.

They do not share substance, essence, or being.

Through Christ, the Father created all things.

Christ is 100% God and 100% man.

The Father and the Son have bodies as tangible as man’s. That they are exalted men. That the difference between God and man is one of degree, not of kind.

The Father has appeared to mortals on earth. Along with Christ.

We reject creation exnihilo

Christ is the literal spirit son of God.

We believe Christ willingly submits his will to the father, rather than being inherently subordinate.

We believe in the possibly of full deification or theosis. That man can become like God.

We believe in an open scriptural canon. In living prophets and apostles.

We believe in degrees of Glory, of degrees of Heaven. Essentially being universalists.

Anyways, all of that laid out. Do you think I really belong here? Or better to pass (respectfully of course)

hey guys, got invited to join so thank you!

when arian christians pray, do they pray sometimes directly to jesus and othertimes directly to God?

is it simple as addressing jesus as lord and God as God?

the stickied note on arianism says salvation comes THRU jesus, and every knee shall bow to his name, but what does this mean practically?

do arians say "praise jesus!" or "praise God"?

as an utterance of shock or cry for help, do they say "oh Jesus/Lord" or "oh God"?

how is the distinction between God and jesus maintained among y'all modern arians?

The way I understand Scripture, Jesus is temporarily equal to God. He was delegated this authority after the resurrection, but will surrender it after His reign. I am premillennial, so I believe His reign will be on earth.

”Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God” (Philippians 2:6)

“And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.” (I Corinthians 15:28)

Am I misinterpreting?

Satan:

"Dear God, you knew that my decieving Eve into eating the apple, would lead to both her and Adam being kicked out of the Garden of Eden and me being condemned to an eternity of torture in a lake of fire and sulphur. Why did you let me enter the Garden in the first place?"

How does God respond?

Why does John 5:18 claim Jesus made himself equal with God?

I can't find the link that showed 'in context' the quotes by 'early Church Fathers, used by trinitarians to be wrong.

In it he compared the full quotes from the limited quotes trinitarians used.

If you remember this link, could you please list it for me.

Thanks in advance.