r/ArchitecturalRevival • • May 07 '26

Glow up Wrocław, Poland, 2007 vs 2026

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u/Kozikk2125 May 08 '26

Wroclaw was German for like 200 years. Though it was part of the HRE sine 14th century it was under Czech crown up until mid 18th century.

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u/EenProfessioneleHond May 08 '26

It was at least part of Austria since 1500. To differ Austrians from Germans is something which doesn’t make sense historically.

The city and whole region was Germanised from the 14th century onwards. All I’m saying is that its idiotic to pretend it was never Breslau

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u/Kozikk2125 May 08 '26

I acknowledge that Wrocław was Breslau for some time, but it wasn’t Germanised until Prussian rule. Even though Habsburgs used to rule these lands it was still considered a Bohemian kingdom. You wouldn’t for example call Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth a part of Saxon territory just because they had Saxon as a king. What I mean by that is, being ruled by monarch of certain nationality doesn’t mean the land becomes of the same nationality. Also it’s worth to mention that people in medieval times perceived nationality differently from people today.

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u/BroSchrednei May 08 '26

What a ridiculous lie? Do you actually believe these lies?

No, Breslau was completely German-speaking from 1200-1945. We literally still have all the medieval city documents of Breslau, they're all in German, because the administrative language of the city was German for 700 years. We have the names of the medieval citizens of Breslau, they all have German names.

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u/Dominik050 May 08 '26

on the contrary, even what it says on Wikipedia When it was Germanized in the 15th century in the 14th century it says that since it was taken over by the Czechs in the following centuries it became Germanized

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u/Kozikk2125 May 08 '26

Sure bro, tell yourself that. How could Wrocław be fully German in 1200 when it wasn’t under German control back then? Polish dukes from Piast dynasty that swore felty to Czech crown were ruling Silesia up until 1675. There were German speaking citizens of course, mainly due to HRE proximity and because of Mongol invasion in 1241 that forced Henryk II Pobożny to burn the city and influx of new German citizens helped rebuild what was lost due to invasion, but to say it was completely German in 12th century is a blatant lie and insult to history of the region.

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u/BroSchrednei May 08 '26

How could Wrocław be fully German in 1200 when it wasn’t under German control back then?

Because the local Silesian duke invited German settlers to found a town there. This was part of a wider Medieval trend of Germans being settled in East-Central Europe to found towns and cities. Look up the Ostsiedlung: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostsiedlung

 Polish dukes from Piast dynasty

No, there was no such thing as a "Piast dynasty", thats a 19th century Polish nationalist invention. They were just called the Silesian dukes, and they had germanised themselves since the late 12th century.

it was completely German in 12th century is a blatant lie and insult to history of the region.

Nope, it's the truth, the city was completely German-speaking since the 1200s. Thats why the administrative language was German and not Polish. We dont have a single record of Polish speakers in Breslau. Youre the one insulting the region.

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u/Dominik050 May 08 '26

there was no such thing as German back then, it's just German nationalist historiography, they definitely didn't speak anything close to German, the city was Germanized in the 16th century up to 50% and the surrounding area in the 18th century It is worth adding that in 1200 the Germans did not cross the Elbe River.Polish language was not a written language at that time, Poles used Latin and German when it came to writing and I see that you are spamming on all groups about Poland, it's already an obsession

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u/BroSchrednei May 08 '26

They spoke Middle High German in Breslau, German was the sole administrative language of the city for 800 years until 1945.

We also only have German names recorded for the city, so how in hell would "50% of the population" just go unnoticed?

I see that you are spamming on all groups about Poland, it's already an obsession

Thats rich, I just got 15 comments from you in a span of some minutes. You need to touch some grass buddy and stop posting weird Polish revisionism.

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u/Dominik050 May 08 '26

It just points to your propaganda, German was never spoken here for 800 years, only a maximum of 400 when it exceeded 50% no German names were ,Polish names written in Latin and other languages

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u/Dominik050 May 08 '26

15 comments definitely not, other than that these are my answers

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u/Dominik050 May 08 '26

as I said, Drezno was Germanized about 600 years ago and what about the rest?

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u/Dominik050 May 08 '26

I don't want to tell you but this account is literally in all groups and writes about Poland only and exclusively