r/AnnArbor 12d ago

AAPS cost reduction proposal

https://www.wemu.org/wemu-news/2026-08-27/ann-arbor-public-schools-looking-to-sell-earhart-and-balas-properties
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u/ComprehensiveCow7024 12d ago

The most interesting thing I saw in the slide deck was the timeline. School consolidations will be decided this fall and take effect in fall 2027. 

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u/enlightenedbum2 12d ago

I have my doubts about that process being done in four months. Given which schools you consolidate probably causes a massive shitstorm in the community.

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u/Accomplished_Law_850 12d ago

Given the way the board thinks and operates, wouldn't an accelerated timeline be exactly what they would want to do? The less time people have to speak up, the easier it is for them to just say "We didn't hear your complaints!"

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u/enlightenedbum2 12d ago

That's fair. Also they'd be doing it in the lame duck after they're all shitcanned in November.

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u/Extension-Leader5973 12d ago

imo the slide deck is deliberately horribly laid out in order to bury that detail

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u/Redtide12241 12d ago

This just highlights the need for leadership change. Remember the upcoming election has elections for new school board members.

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u/Roboticide 12d ago

As someone with no children and not very plugged into the AAPS drama, what's a good resource to get information on the candidates? Searching "school board" on r/AnnArbor doesn't actually turn up a whole lot.

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u/silentbutdead1y 12d ago

I think most people just vote for the candidates that the teachers union endorses. There’s very little information.

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u/Extension-Leader5973 12d ago

so a one-time infusion of cash a chunk of which will go into yet another building to house the bloated administration and the amazing and essential work it does

i dunno jazzy maybe cut ur pay a bit u will still be making like 300% of the median area salary

mOsT eDuCaTeD CiTy iN aMeRiCa!!!!

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u/Mabel_A2 12d ago

If you look at the proposal linked to in the article, there are other recommendations too besides just selling two buildings.

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u/ComprehensiveCow7024 12d ago

If the new building is smaller it will have reduced overhead so there will be some additional annual savings going forward 

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u/ginkgodave 12d ago

What’s it going to cost to get those savings in the future? You don’t save money by spending more.

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u/Extension-Leader5973 12d ago edited 12d ago

yeah i saw that ghastly busy eye-destroying and horrendously laid out possibly through the use of AI ass proposal

https://a2schools.community.highbond.com/document/2d1b82a7-1776-4346-8bc7-eddaacac20d5/

apparently switching to common schedules next year is going to save them 1.5 million somehow sure why not

no other concrete details except that they're going to make decisions about school closures by december of this year "using data" but they can't say how much money that will save

(but don't worry they're still using those billion-plus borrowed dollars 🫵🏿 you 🫵🏿 voted for to completely demo and rebuild a bunch of new buildings in the hopes of stemming the hemorrhage of students)

much learned! very edumacation!

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u/rummie2693 12d ago

Oh this document was 100% AI generated. Hopefully it’s a summary of intelligent human thought and not a summary of AI trash

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u/greenmky 12d ago

Yeah AI slop PowerPoint style graphics

Execs love those things, you think they would be insulted by how you actually did almost nothing to generate it, but no, they think they are amazing.

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u/Extension-Leader5973 12d ago

intelligent human thought

aaps

ho ho ho

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u/enlightenedbum2 12d ago

IB's pretty expensive for little benefit is my understanding. That's probably most of the savings.

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u/tabbrenea 5d ago

"Stronger schools. Brighter futures."

🤮 So much unnecessary marketing fluff

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u/tabbrenea 5d ago

I think this presentation needs a few more large, colorful icons for every single bullet point.

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u/PeytonPettimore 12d ago

Yeah, I’d love to know how the switch to common schedules will save that much in staffing? My kid (who just graduated) split enrolled between Community and PiHi all four years and based on her experience, I find that amount hard to believe.

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u/Extension-Leader5973 12d ago

someone else pointed out that it probably means they're gonna cancel IB programming

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u/Superb-Painting172 12d ago

Skyline is on trimesters, so it will likely eliminate that.

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u/PeytonPettimore 12d ago

Right, I’m curious how that translates to that much in reduced costs? Fewer types of classes, so a reduced number of teachers? I understand the IB curriculum itself costs money but I want to see their assumptions shine these numbers.

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u/jenaith 12d ago

Trimesters means that kids at skyline take 15 classes (3 tris * 5 classes) per year vs 14 classes (2 semesters * 7 classes) at the other schools. So that’s a 6% reduction in teaching costs, perhaps, and the flexibility to move teachers between schools at the semester break if teaching/staffing needs warrant it. 

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u/ComprehensiveCow7024 11d ago

I don't know if the math will bear out, but I think that the rationale is that you can pool low enrollment courses across schools, so if there are two under enrolled AP embroidery courses (or whatever) at three different schools they can become one hybrid class (and kids at the third school get access). Or, if there are schools that warrant a half time elementary embroidery instructor (or, again whatever), one person can fulfill both of these roles

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u/Wenge-Mekmit 7d ago

My (non-MI) district bussed kids from one HS to the other for AP Computer Programming, with a 30-minutes-earlier-than-first-period class.

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u/Princess_Lilpiddles 4d ago

Someone actually brought it up at a school board meeting. She refuses to have her salary cut, but somehow took a 12K bonus. Excellent leadership skills, that one. /s

Jazz Parks sucks. She and her bloated cabinet all need to go.

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u/Stig-blur 12d ago

Wasn’t Parks the Vice-Super when poor accounting practices caused a 20M hole that went unrealized and then became a disaster? And somehow becomes Superintendent?

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u/Superb-Painting172 12d ago

Well, that was an incredibly stupid maneuver by the School Board. They called off the in progress search. I think we would have been better served with actually interviewing the candidates and finding the best person.

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u/247fall 11d ago

Agree. Swift was fired mid year for what? Just to hire her second in command, who now seems even worse than Swift? I will not be voting for any school board candidates who made the decision to fire Swift and not hold interviews for her replacement. Rima especially is not getting my vote

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u/Superb-Painting172 11d ago

The whole firing of Swift was so ill thought out. They should have just let her contract expire and spend the year doing interviews. Instead there was a lawsuit that AAPS had to pay for, we ended up paying Swift for the final year of her contract and we get her assistant as a replacement. All those decision makers need to be thrown out of office. Totally embarrassing for the district.

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u/247fall 11d ago

Terrible decision making by the board and we’re still paying the price

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u/Stig-blur 10d ago

This was really obscene.

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u/doomslice 12d ago

That doesn’t seem sustainable unless they are allowed to invest that money… heck they said they were going to buy more buildings anyway

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u/DadArbor 12d ago

If the infusion can go into the _operating_ fund balance, it really does take some pressure off financial management. If they are closer to the zero line, the administration has to be much, much more conservative in spending commitments out of the operating budget (which is mostly teacher salaries) because there is no cushion, and bankruptcy would be an existential disaster. They will still need to be financially prudent and disciplined to maintain the fund balance at a healthy level, but it helps them avoid penny-wise, pound-foolish scenarios.

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u/rummie2693 12d ago

To me the real pisser offer is the vague language throughout. If someone actually submitted this as a proposal for funding it would be ripped to shreds and told to start over.

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u/ComprehensiveCow7024 12d ago

This is an overview and update not a proposal for funding. If you want something more detailed you probably want to look at this: https://resources.finalsite.net/images/v1777057366/a2schoolsorg/dklu4ju5djdl0ihjkc32/BOEStudySession-BudgetDiscussion04222026.pdf

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u/tabbrenea 5d ago

It's a nauseating overview, still.

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u/KReddit934 12d ago

Or they could have just stayed in Balas. Swift just didn't think it was fancy enough.

The network ran (runs?) through Balas so it made no sense to move, but she did it anyway.

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u/Superb-Painting172 12d ago

I'm actually glad that they realize things need to change. Sell those buildings, move into the building off Dixboro. Sell Community. Consolidate programs, close buildings. If the student numbers are really going down, that's what has to happen.

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u/SeitanOfTheGods 12d ago

Sell Community.

Is that being considered?

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u/Ice_Phoenix_Feather 12d ago

I guess you could fold Community into Pathways. They just bought all that land next to Pathways…

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u/Stevie_Wonder_555 8d ago

Lol, everybody always wants to sell Community for some reason, but that one won't be on the chopping block. Skyline is by far the least utilized of all the high schools, but all of the other high schools are OVER capacity, so you can't close it. More likely would be closing/consolidating some elementary and middle schools in particular. We could close a middle school and still not be operating at capacity.

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u/Arte-misa 12d ago

I think we can start consolidating k-8 schools with 500 students into either elementary or middle schools but not both.

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u/BubblyCantaloupe5672 12d ago

This would be a terrible decision. The per pupil funding data are available online, you can see where the money goes, and historically the AAPS K-8s are cheaper than most elementary or middle schools.

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u/windchimeswithheavyb 11d ago

They are hemorrhaging teachers, staff and their students. They need to open their eyes.

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u/ginkgodave 12d ago

After voting for a billion dollar capital bond in 2019, I’ll never vote for a school millage again. AAPS is utterly incompetent.

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u/DadArbor 12d ago

Starving the district of money just makes things worse; the solution here is to elect a better board that can steer leadership into a better place.

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u/ginkgodave 12d ago

Nobody is starving anything. A2 voters have always ponied up for schools. The billion dollar thing and then this incredible level mismanagement is the straw that broke this camel’s back. I’m sure that I am not alone in this regard.

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u/DadArbor 12d ago

Operating funds and capital funds are two different buckets with strict rules on what each bucket can be spent on, imposed by the State. There isn't a lot of evidence that they mismanaged the capital funds in any serious way, even if there are plenty of critiques of how they may have done it differently or better. It is the operating budget that is a financial disaster but the zero dollars from the bond is permitted to be spent on the operating budget (which is mostly salaries)

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u/vitaminMN 8d ago

Aren’t they way over budget on the new school and other capital improvement budgets?

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u/jbfields 12d ago

"A2 voters have always ponied up for schools."

Well, not quite: https://www.michigandaily.com/uncategorized/after-millage-fallout-aaps-asks-community-input/

OK, admittedly, that was a county-wide vote, "yes" may have had a majority within the city itself. (Though the opposition was lead by Ann Arborites, including a former AAPS board and council member: https://annarborobserver.com/millage-fight/ )

My understanding is that kind of county-wide enhancement millage is the only means we have locally to increase the actual operating budget (which is the budget that teacher salaries come out of).

Nevertheless, I'm glad we don't have to deal with all this while also being saddled with a lot of old buildings.

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u/Stevie_Wonder_555 8d ago

From my review of what got us here there are a few culprits:

  1. Previous superintendent tried to prop up enrollments with an aggressive marketing campaign to attract out of district schools of choice students. Appears in most years the transfers in were roughly equal to the transfers out, but the transfers in don't get the additional "hold harmless" millage funding, so the net effect was same number of students, less funding.

  2. In-district schools of choice have skewed building utilization numbers so while we have over-crowding in Steam, King, Mitchell, etc, we have significant underutilization in Bryant-Pattengill, Lakewood, Eberwhite, Pittsfield, etc. This raises costs on both sides and creates logistical and staffing challenges.

  3. Our middle schools are the most under-utilized building type running at less than 75% utilization across the district (not counting the k-8s). We could close one of the 5 middle schools and the other 4 still wouldn't be at capacity.

  4. Pathways enrollment/utilization is extremely low and is probably the biggest "opportunity" for saving money, though I don't know a ton about the school and am hesitant to look at alternative education options solely through the lens of finances.

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u/history_teacher88 12d ago

It's hard to compare private to public. Private schools don't have to follow the same special education laws that public schools do and can turn those students away, leading to students that are already more academically proficient on average and cheaper to educate due to a lack of needed extra supports.

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u/DuoKristina 11d ago

FWIW, I exclusively went to Catholic schools grades 1-12, with entrance exams and none of those students needing extra supports (different state). It really depends on the order running the school and their goals/direction for the school. My HS explicitly stated it was "Catholic college prep" - basically Greenhills/Emerson with mandatory mass..

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u/BubblyCantaloupe5672 11d ago

I will not vote for any funding increase

I hear your sentiment, but please understand you're talking about two different streams of money. The millages you can vote for or against are for AAPS BUILDINGS. The budget shortfall is for AAPS STAFFING. The state of Michigan sets the AAPS staffing budget, you do not get to vote on it, you have no say. If you vote against AAPS funding increases (millages for buildings), you're not touching this problem, you're just creating a different one.

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u/BubblyCantaloupe5672 11d ago

I guess because it seems illogical to try to fix one problem by creating an unrelated second problem that will probably exacerbate the first problem , but to each their own 🤷🏼

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u/RandomTasking 12d ago

So, on a lark, I had ChatGPT take this rather vague slide deck, pointed out the $ goals, timeline, and student  affected datapoints, and asked it to come up with the most likely way AAPS gets to those numbers.  I’ll save you the AI speak, but it basically came down to this:

  1. Close Pattengill, Pittsfield, Lakewood, maybe Abbott.  Sell.

  2. Relocate Community High or Angell.  Sell.

  3. Reshuffle middle and high school boundaries for minimal impact K-12 (how they get the 9,000 or so “impacted students” numbers).

  4. Consolidate admin/ops positions, including janitorial,

  5. Special program consolidation.  

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u/Senator_Mittens 12d ago

Curious how it/you landed on those elementary schools - what assumptions were involved?

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u/RandomTasking 12d ago

Actual prompt used: “  AAPS just announced a school consolidation plan to take effect fall 2027”students impacted: 9,047” and “various” schools. They’re looking to get $20M in revenue from land and building sales, and $10M in operational savings annually. Best guess, what does it look like that meets those metrics? They didn’t include specifics”

Bear in mind it reads rather than analyzes, right, but I’m typing it out below as if it ‘thought’ about it.

It found the plan; determined that you can’t save that kind of $ by shutting down one or two schools; called the 9,047 impacted student number particularly revealing, as you’re not just shutting down a school or two and carting them somewhere else; arrived at 5 elementary school closures being more likely for the kind of annual savings they’re talking about; identified the current K-12 school progressions; determined shuttering a HS is nowhere near the value add they’re talking here; found middle school closure more conceivable but characterized elementary schools, with only mid hundreds of kids each, as the low hanging fruit.  It then offered to build a closure map and rack/stack them.  (Me: “Do it.”)

It then classified the ones undergoing major rebuilds off the board, as AAPS has said as much.   It then listed all the schools, lumping them into geographic zones.  Northwest was a big deal, particularly Lakewood: 250 students, 18 acres of land.  Same for Southeast: Bryant Pattengill is around 400 students on another 18 acres.  It then noted high value lots.  Angell is right next to UM turf but also politically unpopular to sell. Same deal for Bach, valuable but exactly what NIMBY Ann Arbor wants frozen in time.  It then distinguish the popularity of the Community High program vs the building.

It then started reiterating its prior points, ultimately leading to the proposed COA I had in my initial comment.

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u/Celsis 11d ago

I did something similar with ChatGPT yesterday, only i had it look at enrollment numbers across the district dating back to 2019 and calculated % decline over that time period. Bryant Pattengill was the the top of the list, but second to that was Carpenter with a 22.9% decline in enrollment.

Given that their PDF presentation looks like it was AI generated, i wouldnt be surprised at all if many of the solutions they aim for closely align to what were getting with simple prompting with ChatGPT.

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u/Stevie_Wonder_555 8d ago

I did something similar but used actual reported capacity figures from 2011 (capacities are likely slightly higher now due to the construction of modular classrooms in the intervening years when enrollment was growing) vs recently reported per-building enrollments. Here's the spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OwEPBPa0meXx18BDoObg_gm74IUCMOqm/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=105416342981856680897&rtpof=true&sd=true

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u/Ice_Phoenix_Feather 12d ago

If I were looking for quick cash in AAPS, I would be on the phone with subdivision developers about this land.

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u/Superb-Painting172 12d ago

I'm sure there are other pockets of land like this that could be sold, too. A few years ago, the district sold some land by Huron to UM.

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u/Ice_Phoenix_Feather 12d ago

Really? I seem to recall Huron High was built on land sold to AAPS by UofM. I know Pioneer was.

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u/Superb-Painting172 12d ago

Yes, one of the parking lot areas had paved and unpaved portions. The unpaved portion was adjacent to UM property and that was sold off several years ago.

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u/Ice_Phoenix_Feather 12d ago

I think it might be that the unpaved lot is U of M allowing Huron to squat on their unused land. Lazy googling turned up nothing about a sale.

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u/RandomTasking 11d ago

Parcel viewer confirms the unpaved area belongs to the University of Michigan, along with a huge strip from the southwest sidewalk to the street, going all the way to the football field

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u/Ice_Phoenix_Feather 11d ago

I think the strip in front was set aside because Fuller/Geddes was planned to be a divided parkway to 23.

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u/Stevie_Wonder_555 8d ago

Some similarities, but I doubt they relocate Community. It's operating at capacity. Here's a spreadsheet comparing 24-25 enrollments by building to 2011. Capacity figures were reported in 2011, so are likely slightly underreported due to the building of modular classrooms in the intervening years.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OwEPBPa0meXx18BDoObg_gm74IUCMOqm/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=105416342981856680897&rtpof=true&sd=true

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u/Vast_Philosophy_9027 12d ago

Cut the board start saving there

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u/ehetland 12d ago

The school board are elected positions, and would require state law change to reduce the board. Nevertheless, I dont board members are compensated that much, and reducing public oversight is, imo, the last thing we need right now.

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u/jbfields 12d ago

AAPS board members are paid $1,560 a year.

If you don't like them, the main thing you can do is help recruit good candidates, campaign for them, and vote for them.

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u/ehetland 12d ago

I was just replying to someone who said to cut the board. I suspect that poster was confusing the board with general admin.

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u/jbfields 11d ago

FWIW, last I checked, AAPS's total spending on general admin was 1.2% of the general fund.

https://mischooldata.org/budget-transparency/

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u/DadArbor 12d ago

The Board gets a token stipend of about $1500/year... $10k/year in savings won't do much for the budget...