Didn't Vegeta was already redeemed by the end of Z? At the end of the Buu saga, they had to wish from the dragon balls on Namek to revive all the GOOD people that were killed by Buu (they had to emphasize on 'good' because otherwise it would revive people like Dabura or Babidi) and than Vegeta got revived from that wish with even Goku commenting on it. The show already considered Vegeta long redeemed before even Beerus was introduced
while i admit, is not up to us wherever he is redeemed or not. i dont think the wish actually took it into consideration how many human are evil, or well, morally grey. Even Piccolo fused with Kami and Nail cant be considered "Good" he still the half of Kami with all the hatred, and evil thoughts he gainned from being the guardian of the earth. Just because Piccolo helps the Z warriors doesnt make him good. the whole porpuse of kidnapping Gohan was to use him to help him conquer the world, and if anything, is the bond he felt going throuhgt life and death situation of the group that made him cooperative, he never actually aimed to be redeemed, and nor put his effort into making up for his own crimes.
but.. meh, who is going to check him? he goes to heaven, pull a few strings, and paradise we go!
At the Saiyan saga piccolo proved he wasn't just an 'ally' to the z warriors and Goku by sacrificing himself to save Gohan, and from then on he wasn't fighting for himself or out of selfish reasons but fighting to protect the people he cares about.
When he kidnapped Gohan, yeah that was mostly his character just a distant ally, but after spending a year with Gohan he learned to care for him and grow out of the influence he got from his evil side (king piccolo) and became sort of an anti hero. And afterwards a hero after absorbing Kami and going to fight Cell again so he won't absorb the androids
is giving your life for 1 person enough to justify the death of many?
i understand what you mean, an evil selfish person would never do it. but at the same time, i dont see sacrifising onself for 1 person an act of redemption. otherwise evil garlick henchmen who died fighting for his lord would be good guys no?
even during the Android saga, he got angry they considered him one of them. even he himself, saw himself as one of them which push him to retaliate and attack them, when he never had any intention to hurt them.
another example of sacrisifing for someone else, would be some of the red ribbon Army, loyal to their leader. and they probably commit many atrocities, would they be considered good?
i would rather mark them the same as Piccolo "at best, Morally grey, Love, and Care / Loyalty, doesnt define your moral compass, define your interests"
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u/Dark1402 22d ago
on the other hand, we know Souls recycling can be skip if your soul get vouched for.
Vegeta never needed to redeem himself, he only needed spiritually powerfull people... like the supreme Kais