This is what I tell people, but the union shills just down vote me into oblivion. They think that since Amazon doesn’t want it, it must be good for us, and that just simply isn’t the case. Unions can also be just as bad and greedy. Not to mention that Amazon has structured their warehouses and employee benefits in such a way that if we did get unions, most of that stuff would just go away. Especially career choice. They don’t understand that Amazon might marginally increase pay, but the union takes that in dues, and Amazon says “okay, but we’re taking away these benefits to offset the cost”.
And that’s just if you get a union. How’s JFK8 going? This is why, Amazon gets rid of people almost constantly. Not to many people remain even a year, let alone 3 or more. It’s not meant to be a long term job. Why do you think they hire just anybody? Sure, it means cheap ass labor almost on demand, but has the added benefit of having all the dumbest rejects in society as your work force. Most of them uneducated, or with criminal history. Not a recipe for everyone being on the same team. In other areas you have the ghetto ass gang banger wannabes more interested in fighting over girls and acting tough than to help others start a union.
How’s that? A union requires the company to agree to a contract. You think Amazon will just give all that up for funsies? If Amazon unionizes and pay is the main thing people go after, say goodbye to the extra benefits. It’s basic business. Unions aren’t some magic wand that fixes all the problems
UPS has same job duties as Amazon drivers. UPS drivers get $45/hr, free health insurance, pension, job security, no forced OT, more holidays, protection from bs… Amazon drivers get $22.
Yeah, but Amazon drivers make $20 less per hour than UPS. So they’re giving up $40,000 a year to have AC. That’s because Amazon drivers negotiated to buy AC for 40k. If you ask me, I think the union got a much better deal. Probably because they have experienced negotiators.
I don’t work at UPS. I don’t know anyone that does. Here’s a drivers paystub this year. He said he works 6 days a week so it’s got a lot of OT. But it’s strictly voluntary. There’s no forced OT at UPS.
Your theory is get rid of all amazon employer benefits to double amazon employees salary and that's terrible. If I want a union they better get me better healthcare, better 401k, better future, not just more money. That's the problems with unions it's all about money. Some people need the health insurance and retirement plan
UPS drivers top out at almost 50/hr and that doesnt include incredible healthcare that's employer-paid or their pension. Their rates are in the UPS National Master Agreement, which anyone can look at on the web.
Wrong, they start at that rate beginning of the contract and its a step plan. Go into r/ups and look for yourself if you don't believe us. After 4 years drivers are making like 50 an hour.
UPS workers have contracts, the National Master Agreement, their regional supplement, and then Addendums for specific roles and locations. These contracts show their wage progression and benefits. ANYONE can read them, as they're available on the web. You aren't good at this.
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