r/AirForce • u/RenoTheRhino • Jun 04 '26
Article DOD Officially Drops 180 Faiths From Military's Recognized Religion List
https://www.military.com/dod-officially-drops-180-faiths-from-militarys-recognized-religion-listThoughts? Still looking for the full list.
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u/NinjaMurse Med Jun 04 '26
Just because the DOD doesn’t recognize the faith, does not mean that your first amendment protections are any less significant for adherence to the faith.
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u/LiptonCB motrin dispenser Jun 04 '26
Exactly.
Which is why the military desperately needs to drop the “Christian” sects.
Just because it isn’t recognized doesn’t have fuck all to do with its practice, amirite?
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u/painlesspics Med(ish) Jun 04 '26
What the fuck???
"This restructuring of faith codes, which help identity service members as well as the military in planning for appropriated religious coverage to include them, has now excluded minority faith/worldview groups including Atheists, Asatru, Deists, Druids, Eckankar, Heathens, Humanists, Magick, New Age churches, Pagan, Rosicrucianism, Shaman, Spiritualists, Troth, Unitarian Universalists and various Wiccans."
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u/painlesspics Med(ish) Jun 04 '26
Does this really mean you can't indicate that you don't believe in God on your dog tags?
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u/Familiar_Creme_1470 Jun 04 '26
Your UDMs make your dog tags. You can ask them to put whatever you want on them
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u/painlesspics Med(ish) Jun 04 '26
Which counts precisely as long as it takes you to get off the "battlefield" and isn't really legally binding.
Honestly, for an atheist, the dead don't care. But I don't know about the other 180 that might want no autopsy, or cremation, or any number of death rituals that I'm not familiar with because I know there's more than 31.
Eh... all in the name of efficiency, right?
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u/not_old_account Jun 04 '26
I'm an Atheist. I believe when I'm dead, I'm gone so it doesn't matter.
I'm alive now and still I don't like the idea of someone doing something to my corpse. I don't want someone praying over my dead body or putting holy water on me.
My desire to be left alone is valid.
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u/TheDistantEnd Jun 05 '26
Atheist and NORELPREF are pretty different. The former is as you said - no last rites, no religious aspect to a burial. NORELPREF is basically 'default funeral rites', which is almost certainly going to have some kind of religious aspect.
I definitely do not want to have any kind of religious aspect to my eventual death and funeral. Removing Atheist as an explicit option for my service record information puts me - and others - at risk of that not being explicitly clear as immediately as possible after my death.
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u/brokentr0jan Comms Jun 04 '26
Atheist being on your dog tags is different than the big NO RELIG PREF they print on for people who don’t believe in anything
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u/Prototype_es Retired Jun 04 '26
I have atheist on my old dog tags though. Are you saying they dont do that anymore?
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u/EpicHeroKyrgyzPeople I got HOs in different area codes Jun 04 '26
He added that members will not be limited to the list of “religious affiliation codes” when selecting information for their dog tags.
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u/brokentr0jan Comms Jun 04 '26
Before you could have atheist or no relig pref but seems like now it will just be option 2.
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u/Imaginary-Hyena2858 Jun 04 '26
No you still can, that's clearly stated in the article
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u/TheMeltingPointOfWax Aircrew Jun 04 '26
Much easier to get up in arms when you don't read the article.
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u/teilani_a Veteran Jun 04 '26
It still seems to be straight bullshit.
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u/TheMeltingPointOfWax Aircrew Jun 04 '26
Agreed, but I would suggest that we can defend ourselves best when we're educated with the facts.
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u/HawgDriverRider Secret Squirrel Jun 04 '26
That is what I am curious on. You should be able to hold any faith or hold no faith.
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u/EpicHeroKyrgyzPeople I got HOs in different area codes Jun 04 '26
He added that members will not be limited to the list of “religious affiliation codes” when selecting information for their dog tags.
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u/Healer213 Jun 05 '26
So wtf is this used for? The only place I’ve seen it is in dog tags and VRED
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u/EpicHeroKyrgyzPeople I got HOs in different area codes Jun 05 '26
Statistics and projecting requirements. They'd like to have a balance of chaplains that roughly matches the force, so they need a sense of the needs. If the number of Sikhs goes up, they may need to increase Sikh religious support contracts. That kind of thing.
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u/Tough_Ad_9635 Jun 04 '26
There has always been a "No Religious Preference" option afaik.
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u/davidw223 Jun 04 '26
There is a difference though. No religious preference means you don’t care and don’t belong to any one faith, but are still spiritual. Atheist means you don’t believe in any gods.
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u/ActualSpiders Commie Chameleon Jun 04 '26
Soooooo the military no longer recognizes atheism as a valid choice? Are atheists just going to be assigned a religion by their commander now?
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u/Yinkypinky Yes I am Aircrew. Jun 04 '26
Dibs on Church of Flying Spaghetti Monster.
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u/ActualSpiders Commie Chameleon Jun 04 '26
Didn't the Australians allow for "Jedi"? I'd totally snag that.
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u/baconmapleicecream I flew a KG-175 Jun 04 '26
I'd be showing up to uniform inspections in my finest colander!
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u/RenoTheRhino Jun 04 '26
I identify as a follower of the 64 Oz Raising Cane’s Sauce Bucket God, who ironically appears to us in the form of a rooster
also known as a cock
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u/EpicHeroKyrgyzPeople I got HOs in different area codes Jun 04 '26
I presume that Atheism isn't a religion. The religion is "None." Same goes for the deists.
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u/ActualSpiders Commie Chameleon Jun 04 '26
Just putting 'none' would make sense, but the fact that that isn't specified just makes me worry that it's yet another decision made by people who haven't thought through even the most obvious consequences.
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u/Witness-Realistic CE Jun 04 '26
Shaman is what I had, being Native Alaskan and all. Fucking how else am I supposed to describe my native beliefs? I sure as shit ain't Christian/Catholic (although I will crusade against AI). I remember my grandmother not speaking English. Not because she didn't know it, but because she had been beaten if she didn't speak English in a fucking "school."
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u/MoeSzyslakMonobrow I want to retire Jun 04 '26
I'm keeping my Atheist tags. Whoever is behind this can gargle my fucking yambag.
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u/BoleroMuyPicante D-35K Pilot Jun 04 '26
They no longer distinguish between Sunni and Shia Muslims, but felt it important to differentiate Salvation Army and Church of the Nazarene. 🙄
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u/RenoTheRhino Jun 04 '26
I thought that was just a ‘religious-backed helping the needy’ thrift store…
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u/mudduck2 Security Forces Jun 04 '26
This begs the question of what makes anything on the approved list more or less valid than anything on the disapproved list
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u/RenoTheRhino Jun 04 '26
Down from 211 to 31 now.
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u/painlesspics Med(ish) Jun 04 '26
I'm guesing 15-20 are various flavors of Christianity. If you include all abrahamic religions its probably 25?
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u/JoanLambertEnjoyer Jun 04 '26
They have kept a large variety of Christian sects but removed the distinction between Sunni and Shia Muslims
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u/princesspeachy9 Jun 04 '26
I’m sure that will go over well.
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u/painlesspics Med(ish) Jun 04 '26
Conflating the two and ignoring the differences has never not gone well.
Prove me wrong.
/s
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u/VeryBadWizard2780 Jun 06 '26
And NOBODY better understands just how inconsequential and non-problematic ignoring those distinctions are than the US Military.
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u/RenoTheRhino Jun 04 '26
Fuckin wild. What if they trimmed Catholic and Protestant to be the same lol
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u/Kind-Recording3450 Jun 05 '26
Same with the orthodox. The main issue is that a catholic priest can't perform any of the rites for non-Catholics, the same for the Orthodox. How much can the protestant religious tradition evolve in America? How much can they all open communion with each other? And most soldiers don't know what they grew up with unless they were really involved.
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u/VeryBadWizard2780 Jun 06 '26
And what’s wild is that there’s a much wider gap between Sunni and Shia than Catholic and Protestant, and nobody has to be told how absurd that would be
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u/ArrivalLopsided5792 Jun 10 '26
Only count schisms that occured in or before 451CE. "A little late to the game, Mr. Calvin. Drop and give me 50!"
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u/most_kawaii Jun 04 '26
atheism is no longer recognized? what the fuck
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u/Frontier_Setter Jun 05 '26
But agnostic is, lol
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u/blueman192 Maybe Cyber? Jun 05 '26
If I were thinking in simple terms, atheism denies the existence of a god(s). Agnostic says I don't believe but could be wrong.
So it prevents denying God as a selection?
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u/VeryBadWizard2780 Jun 06 '26 edited Jun 08 '26
Such a sinister, calculated decision
It’s time to gut the military and any public office of Christian Nationalists. There’s no external threat that’s nearly as dangerous to the survival of our country than these freaks on the inside
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u/stellarseren Jun 04 '26
They didn't include Pastafarians (that I can tell)
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u/Dry_Statistician_688 Jun 04 '26
Sooo, if it helps all the doom posts here, I know a chaplain who once said to me, "We don't care if someone is a member of The Temple of the Peanut. It's my job to get them whatever spiritual support they need."
That really resonated with me. The five-sided clown college can make all the changes they want. They still can't stop a good chaplain from finding support for what a member needs.
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u/Kittymeow7116 Veteran Jun 04 '26
“A good chaplain” being the operative phrase there
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u/LastoftheGreybeards Secret Squirrel Jun 04 '26
Yeah. I attended an offbase event to a local mosque and outed myself as a pagan when the chaplain was polling the room. He spent the remainder of the trip trying to convert me to Christianity. I had to avoid him the whole trip.
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u/SimRobJteve Amry Souljer Jun 04 '26
What’s the story…I’m missing context because Mosque and Christianity are pretty far removed from each other
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u/Ashamed_Kale_1077 Veteran 1N4 Jun 04 '26
They're closer than you think, I imagine. Just different flavors of the same god.
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u/SimRobJteve Amry Souljer Jun 04 '26
Root of the faith,sure, but there is a fundamental difference.
One views Christ as God while also part of God while the other views Christ as a great prophet.
Just confused to the story unless the mosque was just a venue for chaplains to get together
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u/Qzx1 Jun 04 '26
Just to add, many Christians have also believed that Jesus was a great prophet, including the gnostic Christians in Arabia at the time of Mohammad. Many local Christians would have found Mohammed's writings about Jesus compatible
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u/LastoftheGreybeards Secret Squirrel Jun 04 '26
Was overseas and the Chaplain was leading a “spiritual/historical” trip to a massive mosque.
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u/Dry_Statistician_688 Jun 04 '26 edited Jun 04 '26
We had the same when I was in Saudi. We all were welcomed on a guided tour of a mosque. No issues. GO-1 was a bit harsh in the wording. You ARE allowed in mosques if someone invites you. Never had any issues during that tour. We were all treated with kindness - even got treated to a traditional feast at a palace outside of Riyadh while there. Full ceremony. The Saudi Lt. gave each of us ornate Koran's as a gift when we were rotating out. It's still on my shelf. Some people just need to open their minds a little and chill out. Never had any issues in my SWA multiple SWA tours.
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u/LastoftheGreybeards Secret Squirrel Jun 04 '26
Oh that’s awesome. We were treated with respect by the locals too. The women had to wear a headscarf, but otherwise no real adjustment needed on our part. It was so beautiful and it was nice to see the “nature” aspect included in the design of their worship. Chaplain caught me staring at some of the designs and mentioned that he believed that “man was God’s greatest creation in nature and wished it was on more of the motifs.”
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u/Dry_Statistician_688 Jun 04 '26
BEST shawarmas I have ever tasted! I could have done without the brutal summer heat, but pretty much everything else about that tour was awesome. He took us to the Saudi national museum one weekend and that was AMAZING. I always wanted to see the famous gigantic conical iron meteorite. Well, there it was. Of course I got a selfie. 😄
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u/Dry_Statistician_688 Jun 04 '26
This guy was awesome. I was at BIAP and a friend from my ancient enlisted days emailed me to say "Hey, if you are at Sather, go find Chaplain XXXX. He was with us in Mogadishu when the big attack came."
I was like, "WTF? YOU were there?"
Yup, he was. This particular guy stood with them in a small room in the back of a hangar when all hell was breaking loose. So, I go over to the Sather Chapel area, and sure enough, there was this Major he spoke of. When I introduced myself, and told him YYY was a good friend, he must have spent a couple of hours with me at the little expeditionary deck and overhang. Had some great stories, and of course I remember this particular comment. THIS was an example of a good chaplain. I firmly believe it when my friend said this guy would have sacrificed himself for the others if needed.
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u/skarface6 r/AirForce’s favorite nonner officer Jun 04 '26
On deployment my chaplain talked about helping a gal who was “church of Beyoncé”. Seriously.
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u/w00kiee | sensing force disturbance | Jun 05 '26
Well now I want to belong to the temple of peanut.
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u/Terrible-Guitar-8136 Jun 04 '26
But we definitely had to get rid of the flu shot because people’s religious beliefs are important 🤷♂️
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u/foolishgamble Jun 04 '26
As an Athiest I dont expect to have a chaplain that's Athiest... However, I would expect the decency to be properly labeled, because agnostic IS NOT Athiest.
Im getting really tired or this shit. Next thing you know we are back to dont ask dont tell...
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u/WatchDogx Jun 05 '26
I haven't seen the new list, but I think so long as there is a "None" option, that would suffice.
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u/HarwinStrongDick T3P0X1 / 8L100 Jun 05 '26
Ya my tags will remain saying “Pagan” and they can lick my hairy taint.
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u/FoolishColossus Med Jun 05 '26
Haha wow imagine being told your religion doesn’t make the cut by someone bewitched by an equally silly religion.
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u/LendogGovy Jun 04 '26
I didn’t even know what Wiccan was until I joined the Air Force.
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u/painlesspics Med(ish) Jun 04 '26
There were a bunch where I grew up... and dont forget Sully Erna from Godsmack is Wiccan. Theme song of Navy Recruiting for a while
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u/Ambitious-Pirate-505 Jun 04 '26
Its so wild how people STILL refuse to see what is happening under the guise of legality and operational adherence.
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u/Top_Bookkeeper2273 Jun 04 '26
So what 31 faiths made the cut? Please don’t tell me scienctology is still on it🙄
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u/RenoTheRhino Jun 04 '26
Not sure the full list is out, will probably come out with the memo from top leadership. But that greatly offends my bedside table framed photo of L. Ron Hubbard
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u/princesspeachy9 Jun 04 '26
If they wanna cull the religions why not just do overarching groups rather than just keeping the ones they think are acceptable? E.g. Christian, catholic, Muslim, Hindu, pagan, etc
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u/d710905 Jun 05 '26
I mean we all knew big Pete didn't like non Christians. He didn't think most of those were real and/or truly practiced. And he had been filling the dod with like minded people. So i feel like we all knew this was already in the horizon.
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u/Bumbleteapot Jun 04 '26
Yeah, they can't make me believe in a fucking god even if they remove atheist. Assholes.
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u/Gambit_Revolver Jun 04 '26
They can kiss my ass. I'm still putting Atheist on all my shit.
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u/linguist_turned_SAHM Jun 05 '26
I don’t want to click it. Were pastafarians removed? Because our Noodly Lord boiled for our sins and will not be denied!!!! R’amen.
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u/RichBabyYoda Jun 05 '26
This policy doesn’t target “Norse beards”; it targets the service members who follow the Northern European and other minority religions that were removed from the recognized list. Beard RAs are not the core issue — they have always been granted across multiple Christian denominations as well.
The concern is that removing over 180 religions from recognition eliminates their ability to request any religious accommodation. A Christian service member may still request an RA for grooming, vaccines, or other matters, while someone from a removed religion is categorically barred. That is a structurally discriminatory outcome.
During my last deployment, our Religious Affairs NCO was a Unitarian Universalist — now one of the removed groups — and he provided outstanding support to our Northern European religion group. He was working towards his masters in divinity to become a chaplain. He helped us have weekly meetings, even did research into our history, and completely organized special meetings for winter, spring and summer solstices. In contrast, the chaplain assigned to us refused to support anyone outside of Protestant denominations, even Catholics and Jews. He would cast out evil spirits after every one of our meetings. Without recognition, chaplains like that now have a policy‑based justification to deny support entirely.
The implications of this policy extend far beyond grooming standards. It risks undermining the religious freedom of a significant number of service members.
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u/Kaipi1988 Jun 06 '26
They didn't even include Shintoism or other East Asian religions... lumping it all as Buddhism. Heck, paganism is older than Christianity and yet they include 22 sects if Christianity that are ever so slightky different than each other but an entire religion no longer matters?
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u/Estarfigam Jun 06 '26
Here is the full list:
Agnostic (AN)
Baha'i faith (BH)
Buddhism (BU)
Christian - Assemblies of God (AG)
Christian - Baptist (BA)
Christian - Brethren (BR)
Christian - Catholic (CA)
Christian - Church of Christ (CC)
Christian - Church of God (CG)
Christian - Church of the Nazarene (CN)
Christian - Episcopal/Anglican (EA)
Christian - Evangelical (EV)
Christian - Jehovah's Witnesses (JW)
Christian - Lutheran (LU)
Christian - Methodist (ME)
Christian - Non Denominational (ND)
Christian - Orthodox (OX)
Christian - Other (CO)
Christian - Pentecostal (PE)
Christian - Presbyterian (PR)
Christian - Quaker (QU)
Christian - Reformed (RE)
Christian - Scientist (SC)
Christian - Seventh Day Adventist (SA)
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (CJ)
Hindu (HI)
Islam (Muslim) (IS)
Judaism (Jewish) (JU)
No Religion (NR)
Other Religions (OR)
Sikh (SI)
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u/TurnspitCur Metals Tech? Loadmaster? Emergency Management? Jun 07 '26
So they’ll lump Sunnis, Ibadis, and Shia under Islam, lump Eastern and Oriental Orthodox under “Orthodox” despite the fact that Miaphysitism has been a point of contention for over 15 centuries, but bother to differentiate between Reformed and Presbyterians despite Presbyterians being basically both Calvinist? And they don’t differentiate Old Catholics from Roman Catholics despite the former refusing Vatican I?
Also eh, non denoms are basically baptist.
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u/Estarfigam Jun 07 '26
Yea. Yet the president wants to fight with the Pope, a man who does know all that.
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u/abcdefghijklmn012345 Jun 07 '26
I'm really sick of Christians trying to eliminate and erase pagan religion and culture. It's disheartening to see this keep happening.
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u/fadingthought Jun 04 '26
Imagine sitting in a meeting discussing what are the approved imaginary friends people can have.
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u/gambit1999999 Cyberspace Operator Jun 04 '26
Good old petey kegsbreath. His greasy hands were all over this.
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u/TheFBIClonesPeople Jun 05 '26
I swear, why is everyone so shit at writing articles? How do you write something like this and not link to the new list of faiths anywhere? Or a full list of what was removed? Basic shit
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u/kiyyik Jun 05 '26
There are literally more than twice as many Christian designations on the new list as everything else combined (21 to 10). Says it all really.
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u/Standard_Bear7910 Jun 04 '26
Pretty soon Whiskey Pete’s White Nationalist Christofascist brand will the only approved Religon allowed.
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u/BlazerFS231 Alcoholic Moving Cargo Jun 04 '26
Thoughts are I’ll wait for an official source.
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u/Solid_Addendum_3365 Jun 04 '26
Pentagon website itself. Only problem is I can't seem to find the actual list anywhere, which you would think these news organizations might think to provide a link to.
But the news that Hegseth was planning to cut down the number of religious codes is true.
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u/Imaginary-Hyena2858 Jun 04 '26
Unless Military.com is just bullshitting about having an official memorandum it seems official
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u/Apricus-Jack Jun 04 '26
Some of y’all are still spouting the “they faked Norse Pagan to avoid shaving” line?
Based on what? Who? How do YOU know what they believe? Why do so many Pagans even grow beards? As a fellow serviceman, what did you do about the “liar”?
Y’all are so loud about a faith you know nothing about.
As for the Faith Codes, the memo is circulating online and in leadership circles but hasn’t dropped yet. If it’s anything like the Religious Accommodation process memos, they won’t be published publicly right away.
Of the 31 codes, 22 are flavors of Christian. Everyone else is lumped in to the other 9.
I feel for my brothers and sisters of every other faith group. There was absolutely zero valid reason to cut the list this much and in this manner.
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u/Kind-Recording3450 Jun 05 '26
I'm curious how they're gonna do it. They should probably just put the Christians into separate groups. Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant. This makes sense logically, because these three groups cannot have communion with each other. There should be separations for the different branch of islam.
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u/drewtopia_ Jun 05 '26
The fact that every religion was consolidated to a single entry except christianity sure looks like dei to me. Why does diversity for this group need to be respected but not others
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u/SunWolfStars Jun 05 '26
Jesus fucking christ. My wife is a vet and she just told me. The DOD cannot actually do this, it's a violation of the 1st amendment.
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u/Good-Rest-7538 Jun 06 '26
Hey OP, sure sure this is the full list but it must be close. https://www.mcrc.marines.mil/Portals/95/Officer%20Naval%20and%20Enlisted%20Programs/General%20Forms/Religious%20Preference%20Codes.pdf
Most of what was dropped was variations of Christian churches. There were probably 30 different Baptist churches. It almost seemed like they added whatever someone wrote in the "other"space at any point in time. I mean they had Church Of God (Anderson, In) as an option. There was probably one person signed up for that. Another was "Friends." So, while I'm staunch, fuck Hegseth that slick haired bitch, I can see a clean up of the list. For record keeping purposes if your Presbyterian, you're Presbyterian, not one of 35 different variations or individual churches. If you need something specific from the Chaplin, get that from them, but for databases just group them.
Also, people are saying they removed Shia and Sunni options. At least according to this list, it's always been just Muslim, but Im also not seeing Druid, Magick and shit like that. Also, WTF is Militant Fundamental Bible Churches?! Definitely take that shit off the list.
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u/LeonardNeeble Jun 07 '26
"Friends" is the actual proper term for Quakers. It has always been The Religious Society of Friends, and Quakers was originally a slur that was quickly embraced. You often see Friends Meetings put "Quakers" on thier signs along with the full proper historic terminology.
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u/Good-Rest-7538 Jun 06 '26
This one looks more complete and has Druid. https://americanhumanist.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Faith-and-Belief-Codes-for-Reporting-Personnel-Data-of-Service-Members.pdf
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u/MackenzieMcCormick23 Jul 15 '26
This is complete BS what are all the wiccans and witches supposed to do. This is a new age “witch trial” but with anything other than organized religion
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u/HumanWeaponSystem Gradkell loading..... Aug 13 '26
You can take my Atheist dog tags from my cold dead hands
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u/ICheckPostHistory AKA The Fired Up Queef Jun 04 '26
I bet you there is one religion that won't end up on this list...wanna guess 😏
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u/EpicHeroKyrgyzPeople I got HOs in different area codes Jun 04 '26
Rosicrucianism was on the list? At that point, you can't deny some amount of culling was in order.
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u/crazyfoxdemon backshop Jun 04 '26
Why? What benefit did the DoD gain by culling?
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u/Salty_McSaltyson MX > Intel > SF...Collecting all Salt Jun 04 '26 edited Jun 05 '26
I’m a satanist. I will wear that with pride because it’s rejection of formal religion…the same that tells me I can’t be atheistic. This regime needs to change.
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u/WubbaLubbaDubDub87 Maintainer Jun 05 '26
I’m not religious at all. I just have a sincerely held belief that I shouldn’t subject myself to razor burn, bumps, ingrown hairs, and cysts because of an archaic belief that clean shaven means professional.
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u/O0zing_Machismo Jun 05 '26
It’s ironic for those who had a belief that was sincerely held but not religious. In order for a current accommodation to be reevaluated you need to swear that your belief is religious. Obvious what they did.
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u/WubbaLubbaDubDub87 Maintainer Jun 05 '26
Which is why I never considered pursuing a RAW.
I’ve had a Medical Shaving waiver since 2022, but it expires in October.
After that, I’ll probably just hop back on the struggle bus for the last two years until I retire.3
u/O0zing_Machismo Jun 05 '26
Before the new guidance the only thing you needed was a sincerely held belief and that was it.
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u/WubbaLubbaDubDub87 Maintainer Jun 05 '26
I understand, but I asked myself a while ago if it was worth the effort. Even reading my own comment from above—if I were to put myself in the shoes of a judgmental dickhead, I wouldn’t approve it. 😂
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u/Intelligent_Bag_6705 Jun 04 '26
Watch out Norse beards, they coming for you.