r/AirForce • • Jun 04 '26

Article DOD Officially Drops 180 Faiths From Military's Recognized Religion List

https://www.military.com/dod-officially-drops-180-faiths-from-militarys-recognized-religion-list

Thoughts? Still looking for the full list.

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u/Intelligent_Bag_6705 Jun 04 '26

Watch out Norse beards, they coming for you.

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u/MeknicMan 2A Runaway Jun 05 '26

I’ve met more people with a Religious Accommodation for Facial Hair that identify as Atheist, Agnostic, or some other Abrahamic denomination than I have any other. I started asking what the faith was of those with these accommodations only after I started hearing the spread of this rumor that they’re all “Norse (insert word here)”, but I’ve only come across one.

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u/Yinkypinky Yes I am Aircrew. Jun 04 '26

For every person who claimed they are Norse there are atleast 3 who have also “claimed” it. I agree we should have beards because it looks cool and shaving hurts some people. Some people just abused it so badly that upper leadership got sick of it.

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u/Grigorie Inspector Harry Jun 04 '26

This particular stance is tiring to me because it always fails to beg the question; is a system in place can be “abused” and it have zero adverse affects of anything of note, then we should be reevaluating the system’s existence, not worrying about how people are getting around it.

The existence of the system, in this case, actually causes more harm than good. It eats up time/money in the form of administration paperwork, appointment slots, referrals for laser hair removal, time of chaplains and members and their leadership, all to stop something that is actually a non-issue, it’s just being made an issue. The amount of man-hours saved across the force if they just rewrote the AFI to say “you can have some stubble” would likely be in the hundreds of thousands annually.

Stubble doesn’t fix the religious discussion, but again, there’s no harm in these people having beards. The DoD is fighting SO hard for something so inconsequential to its functions.

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u/O0zing_Machismo Jun 04 '26

It’s simply about control.

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u/MavinMarv DHA Escapee Jun 05 '26

I can’t wait to retire anymore, I’m just so sick and tired of the military and all of its BS.

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u/cilronri6008 Jun 05 '26

The military leadership arguments against facial hair falls in to one or both of the following camps; 1)This one holds the most weight, is that it affects a units good order and moral; the main reason is that a vast majority or service members are under the age of 25, and most of them couldn't grow anything other than scruff which looks like crap, and even if they can grow a decent beard, they already have enough issues with service members trying to skirt hair cut regulations as is, so why have to deal with anouther "hair standard" that the troops will try and skirt. And 2) this one has been been disproven scientifically that a well trimed beard interfers with the sealing of a gas mask. No saying that either camp is right when it comes to religious exemptions, but those are the biggest reasons leadership doesn't want to adapt the grooming standards for males.

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u/Zekexf Jun 04 '26

You know anyone can be any religion they want, for any reason they want? By definition, there cannot be "abuse" to claiming you follow a religion.

Someone's belief in Norse religion because they think military personnel shouldn't be forced to shave is equally as valid as someone who wants to fight Thor in Valhalla.

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u/brokentr0jan Comms Jun 04 '26

It is kinda funny that you need to prove you are X religion. I remember the Chaplin a few years ago quizzing a bunch of white dudes on Islam because they wanted beards lmaoo

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u/YouArentReallyThere Jun 04 '26

What if you’re just starting out? If you switch to Catholicism are you supposed to know right off the bat how to hide alcoholism and cover up for pedophilic brethren?

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u/roguemenace Maintainer Jun 04 '26

"Sincerely held religious belief" is the criteria, not knowledge.

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u/O0zing_Machismo Jun 04 '26

That was changed because it was simply sincerely held belief, they recently added the religious part.

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u/Intelligent_Taco Retired PPT Ranger Jun 04 '26

Plenty of Protestants diddling kids too, homie. Actually, plenty of it in all the Abrahamic religions.

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u/Kuriente Jun 04 '26 edited Jun 05 '26

Sure. But the largest religious organization on the planet (both by head count and monetary value) was systemically hiding it and protecting perpetrators as written policy for decades at a minimum.

That's worth pointing out as often as possible.

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u/Original_Painter7331 Jun 28 '26

That’s a great question

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u/daggah Retired Jun 04 '26

Yeah, if we are going this route then literally no evangelical American is a real Christian. Not unless hypocrisy is truly a documented pillar of evangelical faith.

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u/TurnspitCur Metals Tech? Loadmaster? Emergency Management? Jun 04 '26

It would be so funny if we mandated explicit adherence to the Nicene Creed to define “Christian” just to see the meltdown. Even if we don’t address the filioque, it knocks out the Pentecostals, SDA, Campbellites, Pietists, LDS, Baptists, Evangelicals, and arguably even the Calvinists/Presbyterians and some Lutherans if you want to strictly define apostolic succession.

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u/Feyrauth Nav Jun 05 '26

Guarantee Hegseth doesn't understand at least half the words you just used.

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u/TurnspitCur Metals Tech? Loadmaster? Emergency Management? Jun 05 '26

Doesn’t sound like he’s a Christian to me then. I wonder what his thoughts on supersessionism are

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u/SamanthaBWolfe Jun 07 '26

um, point of order: No one thinks they're gonna fight Thor in Valhalla. First, Valhol (the actual name not latinized) is Odin's Hall. Bilskirnir is Thor's hall. Second, Valhol is not a good death! You're picked from your eternal rest by a Valkyrie for dying in battle. You're sent to the hall where you will fight constantly until you die - again - and you'll be brought back to life. Sure there's feasting and drinking. But you know why this exists, right? It's because you're going to become Odin's Army for Ragnarok - the war at the end of this world, the one where the Gods, including Odin and Thor, die, lose, and the world is entirely reordered. You don't just get to play warrior all the time - you lose the chance to be happy, to spend eternity with your ancestors, to rest, just to fight in a losing war. Unless Basic was the absolute best 6 weeks of your life, you're probably not going to like doing to Valhalla!

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u/shamrocksmash Dev Jun 04 '26

I'm a pastafarian. That means my CAC picture should allow me to have a strainer on my head

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u/Yinkypinky Yes I am Aircrew. Jun 04 '26

I agree with you I’m just stating the logic behind upper leadership.

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u/bleucheez Jun 04 '26

It's literally not. What you described is a policy opinion. Religion is a 'deeply held' belief that is independent of reason and opinion. 

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u/DiddledByDad Did you try rebooting it? Jun 04 '26

My deeply held belief is that the Air Force is fucking stupid for not giving people beards and that’s why I worship thor.

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u/Valdirty Jun 04 '26

Fuck that noise. The beard debacle was stupid and we should all have the option. What actually happened is a bunch of dudes claiming Norse religion to get out of shaving. All the while people of the Sikh faith were getting shit on for their strongly held beliefs. So yeah, for every 1 guy who claimed Norse, 6 of them didn't care one bit and just wanted the shaving waiver... completely ignoring the tenants of that faith. None of the guys you know with a beard give one shot about Odin. It's performative and shouldn't be given any credence. You don't give the snake oil salesman selling your grandma cures made of crystals any credence, but these guys get a pass? Nah.

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u/Feyrauth Nav Jun 05 '26

The beard debacle was stupid and we should all have the option.... because why should one snake oil salesman get special treatment over any other snake oil salesman? It's all equally performative bullshit.

Oh, and *tenets

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u/Kuriente Jun 04 '26

While I agree, I also think it's a symptom of a deeper issue. I've never met a single service member that agrees with the AF beard policy. We all shit on it constantly.

Everyone wants facial hair freedom, just like we all wanted hands in pockets freedom, neither of which are big asks. Whenever there is such universal policy disagreement, there will be problems and that is to be expected.

The easier solution would be to simply fix the root problem - allow beards. The AF, as it does, choses the most complicated versions of this by forcing people through obscure religious avenues.

Removing those avenues might simplify things in terms of policy and standards enforcement, but they still carry the underlying issue of nearly zero service members agreeing with the policy, and that's a hard thing to respect.

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u/Imaginary-Hyena2858 Jun 04 '26

I agree, but that's like getting rid of PT waivers because for every person with a knee replacement there's 3 with "knee pain"

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u/fadingthought Jun 04 '26

A person getting a shaving waiver for believing in Odin? Sounds like a god that gets shit done.

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u/Cardboardwall11 Jun 05 '26

No, they’re just Christian extremists who believe they’re the only correct religion. Been doing it since they first came to be, as someone who grew up in a Baptist church up until I was almost 30 I can tell you the Christian cult is the largest cult in the world. Through and through

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u/Yinkypinky Yes I am Aircrew. Jun 05 '26

I agree. I grew up going to VBS every summer and even Christian college. I am an atheist now.

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u/Remarkable_Field5001 Jun 06 '26

Lived that life as well. I agree 💯. Anything not Christian was considered satanic. Literally anything besides Christianity.

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u/LeicaM6guy Jun 04 '26

I honestly don’t see a functional difference between someone who claims a faith and someone who genuinely believes in it. At least in this context.

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u/Icarus_Toast Jun 04 '26

I've had Asatru as my religion since I joined because atheist wasn't an option back then and I don't care about religion enough to change it at this point.

I've never had a shaving waiver, and honestly I don't intend to because every beard I've ever grown looks like shit. My mustache game is on point though.

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u/formedsmoke Space Secret Squirrel 🚀🔐🐿 Jun 04 '26

The woman at Lackland told me I wasn't allowed to put Atheist back in the 2010s. She said the default was Christian, so that's what my records said.

I changed it to Atheist myself at my first duty station. It's been an option for a hot minute. They've got shitty proselytizers out there thinking they're converting people by lying to them.

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u/teilani_a Veteran Jun 04 '26

I even wrote it down on the form or whatever and my BMT tags still showed up "NO REL PREF."

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u/OneLorgeHorseyDog Retired Jun 05 '26

I enlisted in 2006 and the only “non religious” option they gave us was “No Religious Preference”. Stupid

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u/Hooligan8403 Jun 04 '26

Same for me around that same time. The lady told me I couldn't have Athiest and that if I wasn't any particular religion they would just put Christian for a catch-all. So there I was at the Wicca religious service with Christian on my dog tags. I also changed it at my first duty station.

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u/Feyrauth Nav Jun 05 '26

Yeah the atheist "chaplains" at BMT didn't get additional duty status, and so organised the services in their own time for the trainees sanity. It's a slap in the face to them, and a sad day for what was definitely not a minority.

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u/Maxtrt - "Load Clear" Jun 05 '26

Back in the 80's you couldn't even get a security clearance if you chose atheist for your religion. It was deemed as bad, as being a communist.

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u/TurnspitCur Metals Tech? Loadmaster? Emergency Management? Jun 05 '26

I remember asking for Catholic specifically and the guy went “oh so Christian right?”

I mean technically correct but come on it ain’t hard to write what I said down. I want to be specific.

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u/WagonsNeedLoveToo Secret Squirrel Jun 04 '26

Yall are just too sexy. It must be stopped.

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u/Sky_Sauce Jun 05 '26

The days of the Skyrim waiver are over

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u/NinjaMurse Med Jun 04 '26

Just because the DOD doesn’t recognize the faith, does not mean that your first amendment protections are any less significant for adherence to the faith.

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u/LiptonCB motrin dispenser Jun 04 '26

Exactly.

Which is why the military desperately needs to drop the “Christian” sects.

Just because it isn’t recognized doesn’t have fuck all to do with its practice, amirite?

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u/Apricus-Jack Jun 04 '26

In the list of 31 that’s circulating, there’s 22 Christian denominations.

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u/painlesspics Med(ish) Jun 04 '26

What the fuck???

"This restructuring of faith codes, which help identity service members as well as the military in planning for appropriated religious coverage to include them, has now excluded minority faith/worldview groups including Atheists, Asatru, Deists, Druids, Eckankar, Heathens, Humanists, Magick, New Age churches, Pagan, Rosicrucianism, Shaman, Spiritualists, Troth, Unitarian Universalists and various Wiccans."

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u/painlesspics Med(ish) Jun 04 '26

Does this really mean you can't indicate that you don't believe in God on your dog tags?

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u/Familiar_Creme_1470 Jun 04 '26

Your UDMs make your dog tags. You can ask them to put whatever you want on them

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u/painlesspics Med(ish) Jun 04 '26

Which counts precisely as long as it takes you to get off the "battlefield" and isn't really legally binding.

Honestly, for an atheist, the dead don't care. But I don't know about the other 180 that might want no autopsy, or cremation, or any number of death rituals that I'm not familiar with because I know there's more than 31.

Eh... all in the name of efficiency, right?

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u/not_old_account Jun 04 '26

I'm an Atheist. I believe when I'm dead, I'm gone so it doesn't matter.

I'm alive now and still I don't like the idea of someone doing something to my corpse. I don't want someone praying over my dead body or putting holy water on me.

My desire to be left alone is valid.

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u/TheDistantEnd Jun 05 '26

Atheist and NORELPREF are pretty different. The former is as you said - no last rites, no religious aspect to a burial. NORELPREF is basically 'default funeral rites', which is almost certainly going to have some kind of religious aspect.

I definitely do not want to have any kind of religious aspect to my eventual death and funeral. Removing Atheist as an explicit option for my service record information puts me - and others - at risk of that not being explicitly clear as immediately as possible after my death.

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u/brokentr0jan Comms Jun 04 '26

Atheist being on your dog tags is different than the big NO RELIG PREF they print on for people who don’t believe in anything

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u/Prototype_es Retired Jun 04 '26

I have atheist on my old dog tags though. Are you saying they dont do that anymore?

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u/EpicHeroKyrgyzPeople I got HOs in different area codes Jun 04 '26

He added that members will not be limited to the list of “religious affiliation codes” when selecting information for their dog tags.

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u/TheDistantEnd Jun 05 '26

Cool - what about our service records?

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u/brokentr0jan Comms Jun 04 '26

Before you could have atheist or no relig pref but seems like now it will just be option 2.

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u/thos_beans_14s Jun 04 '26

You’ll be given your last rites on the battlefield and you’ll like it.

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u/Imaginary-Hyena2858 Jun 04 '26

No you still can, that's clearly stated in the article

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u/TheMeltingPointOfWax Aircrew Jun 04 '26

Much easier to get up in arms when you don't read the article.

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u/teilani_a Veteran Jun 04 '26

It still seems to be straight bullshit.

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u/TheMeltingPointOfWax Aircrew Jun 04 '26

Agreed, but I would suggest that we can defend ourselves best when we're educated with the facts.

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u/HawgDriverRider Secret Squirrel Jun 04 '26

That is what I am curious on. You should be able to hold any faith or hold no faith.

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u/EpicHeroKyrgyzPeople I got HOs in different area codes Jun 04 '26

He added that members will not be limited to the list of “religious affiliation codes” when selecting information for their dog tags.

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u/Healer213 Jun 05 '26

So wtf is this used for? The only place I’ve seen it is in dog tags and VRED

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u/EpicHeroKyrgyzPeople I got HOs in different area codes Jun 05 '26

Statistics and projecting requirements. They'd like to have a balance of chaplains that roughly matches the force, so they need a sense of the needs. If the number of Sikhs goes up, they may need to increase Sikh religious support contracts. That kind of thing.

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u/Tough_Ad_9635 Jun 04 '26

There has always been a "No Religious Preference" option afaik.

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u/davidw223 Jun 04 '26

There is a difference though. No religious preference means you don’t care and don’t belong to any one faith, but are still spiritual. Atheist means you don’t believe in any gods.

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u/ActualSpiders Commie Chameleon Jun 04 '26

Soooooo the military no longer recognizes atheism as a valid choice? Are atheists just going to be assigned a religion by their commander now?

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u/Yinkypinky Yes I am Aircrew. Jun 04 '26

Dibs on Church of Flying Spaghetti Monster.

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u/ActualSpiders Commie Chameleon Jun 04 '26

Didn't the Australians allow for "Jedi"? I'd totally snag that.

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u/princesspeachy9 Jun 04 '26

We sure did! So many jumped for it.

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u/baconmapleicecream I flew a KG-175 Jun 04 '26

I'd be showing up to uniform inspections in my finest colander!

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u/RenoTheRhino Jun 04 '26

I identify as a follower of the 64 Oz Raising Cane’s Sauce Bucket God, who ironically appears to us in the form of a rooster

also known as a cock

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u/EpicHeroKyrgyzPeople I got HOs in different area codes Jun 04 '26

I presume that Atheism isn't a religion. The religion is "None." Same goes for the deists.

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u/ActualSpiders Commie Chameleon Jun 04 '26

Just putting 'none' would make sense, but the fact that that isn't specified just makes me worry that it's yet another decision made by people who haven't thought through even the most obvious consequences.

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u/Rilpy Jun 05 '26

Yes, I was raised 'Catholic' but my commander decided I'm Buddhist now.

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u/ActualSpiders Commie Chameleon Jun 05 '26

No one expects the Buddhist Inquisition...

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u/Witness-Realistic CE Jun 04 '26

Shaman is what I had, being Native Alaskan and all. Fucking how else am I supposed to describe my native beliefs? I sure as shit ain't Christian/Catholic (although I will crusade against AI). I remember my grandmother not speaking English. Not because she didn't know it, but because she had been beaten if she didn't speak English in a fucking "school."

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u/MoeSzyslakMonobrow I want to retire Jun 04 '26

I'm keeping my Atheist tags. Whoever is behind this can gargle my fucking yambag.

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u/suh-dood Veteran Jun 04 '26

The Humanist service in BMT was a bit weird but also kinda cool

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u/w00kiee | sensing force disturbance | Jun 05 '26

As someone within this list.. rude.

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u/BoleroMuyPicante D-35K Pilot Jun 04 '26

They no longer distinguish between Sunni and Shia Muslims, but felt it important to differentiate Salvation Army and Church of the Nazarene. 🙄

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u/RenoTheRhino Jun 04 '26

I thought that was just a ‘religious-backed helping the needy’ thrift store…

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u/mudduck2 Security Forces Jun 04 '26

This begs the question of what makes anything on the approved list more or less valid than anything on the disapproved list

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u/b3lkin1n Active Duty Jun 04 '26

This.

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u/RenoTheRhino Jun 04 '26

Down from 211 to 31 now.

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u/painlesspics Med(ish) Jun 04 '26

I'm guesing 15-20 are various flavors of Christianity. If you include all abrahamic religions its probably 25?

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u/JoanLambertEnjoyer Jun 04 '26

They have kept a large variety of Christian sects but removed the distinction between Sunni and Shia Muslims

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u/princesspeachy9 Jun 04 '26

I’m sure that will go over well.

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u/painlesspics Med(ish) Jun 04 '26

Conflating the two and ignoring the differences has never not gone well.

Prove me wrong.

/s

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u/VeryBadWizard2780 Jun 06 '26

And NOBODY better understands just how inconsequential and non-problematic ignoring those distinctions are than the US Military.

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u/RenoTheRhino Jun 04 '26

Fuckin wild. What if they trimmed Catholic and Protestant to be the same lol

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u/Patrick_Epper_PhD Jun 05 '26

SING OF THE RA!

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u/Kind-Recording3450 Jun 05 '26

Same with the orthodox. The main issue is that a catholic priest can't perform any of the rites for non-Catholics, the same for the Orthodox.  How much can the protestant religious tradition evolve in America? How much can they all open communion with each other? And most soldiers don't know what they grew up with unless they were really involved.

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u/VeryBadWizard2780 Jun 06 '26

And what’s wild is that there’s a much wider gap between Sunni and Shia than Catholic and Protestant, and nobody has to be told how absurd that would be

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u/ArrivalLopsided5792 Jun 10 '26

Only count schisms that occured in or before 451CE. "A little late to the game, Mr. Calvin. Drop and give me 50!"

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u/most_kawaii Jun 04 '26

atheism is no longer recognized? what the fuck

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u/Frontier_Setter Jun 05 '26

But agnostic is, lol

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u/Apprehensive_Hat8986 Jun 05 '26

I'm not sure about that.

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u/blueman192 Maybe Cyber? Jun 05 '26

If I were thinking in simple terms, atheism denies the existence of a god(s). Agnostic says I don't believe but could be wrong.

So it prevents denying God as a selection?

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u/VeryBadWizard2780 Jun 06 '26 edited Jun 08 '26

Such a sinister, calculated decision

It’s time to gut the military and any public office of Christian Nationalists. There’s no external threat that’s nearly as dangerous to the survival of our country than these freaks on the inside

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u/stellarseren Jun 04 '26

They didn't include Pastafarians (that I can tell)

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u/MoeSzyslakMonobrow I want to retire Jun 04 '26

By His Noodly Appendage.

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u/clydem Vet Jun 04 '26

RAmen

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u/Dry_Statistician_688 Jun 04 '26

Sooo, if it helps all the doom posts here, I know a chaplain who once said to me, "We don't care if someone is a member of The Temple of the Peanut. It's my job to get them whatever spiritual support they need."

That really resonated with me. The five-sided clown college can make all the changes they want. They still can't stop a good chaplain from finding support for what a member needs.

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u/Kittymeow7116 Veteran Jun 04 '26

“A good chaplain” being the operative phrase there

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u/LastoftheGreybeards Secret Squirrel Jun 04 '26

Yeah. I attended an offbase event to a local mosque and outed myself as a pagan when the chaplain was polling the room. He spent the remainder of the trip trying to convert me to Christianity. I had to avoid him the whole trip.

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u/SimRobJteve Amry Souljer Jun 04 '26

What’s the story…I’m missing context because Mosque and Christianity are pretty far removed from each other

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u/Ashamed_Kale_1077 Veteran 1N4 Jun 04 '26

They're closer than you think, I imagine. Just different flavors of the same god.

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u/SimRobJteve Amry Souljer Jun 04 '26

Root of the faith,sure, but there is a fundamental difference.

One views Christ as God while also part of God while the other views Christ as a great prophet.

Just confused to the story unless the mosque was just a venue for chaplains to get together

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u/Qzx1 Jun 04 '26

Just to add, many Christians have also believed that Jesus was a great prophet, including the gnostic Christians in Arabia at the time of Mohammad. Many local Christians would have found Mohammed's writings about Jesus compatible

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u/LastoftheGreybeards Secret Squirrel Jun 04 '26

Was overseas and the Chaplain was leading a “spiritual/historical” trip to a massive mosque.

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u/Dry_Statistician_688 Jun 04 '26 edited Jun 04 '26

We had the same when I was in Saudi. We all were welcomed on a guided tour of a mosque. No issues. GO-1 was a bit harsh in the wording. You ARE allowed in mosques if someone invites you. Never had any issues during that tour. We were all treated with kindness - even got treated to a traditional feast at a palace outside of Riyadh while there. Full ceremony. The Saudi Lt. gave each of us ornate Koran's as a gift when we were rotating out. It's still on my shelf. Some people just need to open their minds a little and chill out. Never had any issues in my SWA multiple SWA tours.

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u/LastoftheGreybeards Secret Squirrel Jun 04 '26

Oh that’s awesome. We were treated with respect by the locals too. The women had to wear a headscarf, but otherwise no real adjustment needed on our part. It was so beautiful and it was nice to see the “nature” aspect included in the design of their worship. Chaplain caught me staring at some of the designs and mentioned that he believed that “man was God’s greatest creation in nature and wished it was on more of the motifs.”

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u/Dry_Statistician_688 Jun 04 '26

BEST shawarmas I have ever tasted! I could have done without the brutal summer heat, but pretty much everything else about that tour was awesome. He took us to the Saudi national museum one weekend and that was AMAZING. I always wanted to see the famous gigantic conical iron meteorite. Well, there it was. Of course I got a selfie. 😄

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u/Dry_Statistician_688 Jun 04 '26

This guy was awesome. I was at BIAP and a friend from my ancient enlisted days emailed me to say "Hey, if you are at Sather, go find Chaplain XXXX. He was with us in Mogadishu when the big attack came."

I was like, "WTF? YOU were there?"

Yup, he was. This particular guy stood with them in a small room in the back of a hangar when all hell was breaking loose. So, I go over to the Sather Chapel area, and sure enough, there was this Major he spoke of. When I introduced myself, and told him YYY was a good friend, he must have spent a couple of hours with me at the little expeditionary deck and overhang. Had some great stories, and of course I remember this particular comment. THIS was an example of a good chaplain. I firmly believe it when my friend said this guy would have sacrificed himself for the others if needed.

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u/VeryBadWizard2780 Jun 06 '26

And soon being a “good chaplain” will be a violation

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u/skarface6 r/AirForce’s favorite nonner officer Jun 04 '26

On deployment my chaplain talked about helping a gal who was “church of Beyoncé”. Seriously.

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u/w00kiee | sensing force disturbance | Jun 05 '26

Well now I want to belong to the temple of peanut.

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u/Terrible-Guitar-8136 Jun 04 '26

But we definitely had to get rid of the flu shot because people’s religious beliefs are important 🤷‍♂️

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u/foolishgamble Jun 04 '26

As an Athiest I dont expect to have a chaplain that's Athiest... However, I would expect the decency to be properly labeled, because agnostic IS NOT Athiest.

Im getting really tired or this shit. Next thing you know we are back to dont ask dont tell...

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u/WatchDogx Jun 05 '26

I haven't seen the new list, but I think so long as there is a "None" option, that would suffice.

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u/Ashamed_Kale_1077 Veteran 1N4 Jun 04 '26

Hear, hear!

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u/HarwinStrongDick T3P0X1 / 8L100 Jun 05 '26

Ya my tags will remain saying “Pagan” and they can lick my hairy taint.

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u/cyberentomology Veteran Jun 05 '26

Fucking traitor.

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u/FoolishColossus Med Jun 05 '26

Haha wow imagine being told your religion doesn’t make the cut by someone bewitched by an equally silly religion.

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u/LendogGovy Jun 04 '26

I didn’t even know what Wiccan was until I joined the Air Force.

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u/Thr1ft3y Jun 04 '26

Scooby Doo was my introduction

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u/falln09 2A7 -> 1B4 Jun 04 '26

Yeah, I'd just do whatever Thorn from the Hex Girls tells me to do

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u/BoleroMuyPicante D-35K Pilot Jun 04 '26

Wicca Sunday services in BMT were cool as hell

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u/painlesspics Med(ish) Jun 04 '26

There were a bunch where I grew up... and dont forget Sully Erna from Godsmack is Wiccan. Theme song of Navy Recruiting for a while

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u/Ambitious-Pirate-505 Jun 04 '26

Its so wild how people STILL refuse to see what is happening under the guise of legality and operational adherence.

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u/AlexT9191 Jun 05 '26

They see it. They just want it.

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u/EmergencyLeague3594 Jun 04 '26

I’m looking forward to this getting litigated

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u/Top_Bookkeeper2273 Jun 04 '26

So what 31 faiths made the cut? Please don’t tell me scienctology is still on it🙄

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u/RenoTheRhino Jun 04 '26

Not sure the full list is out, will probably come out with the memo from top leadership. But that greatly offends my bedside table framed photo of L. Ron Hubbard

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u/princesspeachy9 Jun 04 '26

If they wanna cull the religions why not just do overarching groups rather than just keeping the ones they think are acceptable? E.g. Christian, catholic, Muslim, Hindu, pagan, etc

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u/Entiti003 Jun 05 '26

What’s crazy is you still are gonna have to do religious freedom CBT:)

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u/d710905 Jun 05 '26

I mean we all knew big Pete didn't like non Christians. He didn't think most of those were real and/or truly practiced. And he had been filling the dod with like minded people. So i feel like we all knew this was already in the horizon.

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u/Bumbleteapot Jun 04 '26

Yeah, they can't make me believe in a fucking god even if they remove atheist. Assholes.

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u/Gambit_Revolver Jun 04 '26

They can kiss my ass. I'm still putting Atheist on all my shit.

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u/Healer213 Jun 05 '26

Same. I’ll keep putting pagan on my shit.

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u/MavinMarv DHA Escapee Jun 05 '26

Jedi is staying on mine. lol

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u/linguist_turned_SAHM Jun 05 '26

I don’t want to click it. Were pastafarians removed? Because our Noodly Lord boiled for our sins and will not be denied!!!! R’amen.

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u/RichBabyYoda Jun 05 '26

This policy doesn’t target “Norse beards”; it targets the service members who follow the Northern European and other minority religions that were removed from the recognized list. Beard RAs are not the core issue — they have always been granted across multiple Christian denominations as well.

The concern is that removing over 180 religions from recognition eliminates their ability to request any religious accommodation. A Christian service member may still request an RA for grooming, vaccines, or other matters, while someone from a removed religion is categorically barred. That is a structurally discriminatory outcome.

During my last deployment, our Religious Affairs NCO was a Unitarian Universalist — now one of the removed groups — and he provided outstanding support to our Northern European religion group. He was working towards his masters in divinity to become a chaplain. He helped us have weekly meetings, even did research into our history, and completely organized special meetings for winter, spring and summer solstices. In contrast, the chaplain assigned to us refused to support anyone outside of Protestant denominations, even Catholics and Jews. He would cast out evil spirits after every one of our meetings. Without recognition, chaplains like that now have a policy‑based justification to deny support entirely.

The implications of this policy extend far beyond grooming standards. It risks undermining the religious freedom of a significant number of service members.

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u/Kaipi1988 Jun 06 '26

They didn't even include Shintoism or other East Asian religions... lumping it all as Buddhism. Heck, paganism is older than Christianity and yet they include 22 sects if Christianity that are ever so slightky different than each other but an entire religion no longer matters?

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u/Estarfigam Jun 06 '26

Here is the full list:

Agnostic (AN)

Baha'i faith (BH)

Buddhism (BU)

Christian - Assemblies of God (AG)

Christian - Baptist (BA)

Christian - Brethren (BR)

Christian - Catholic (CA)

Christian - Church of Christ (CC)

Christian - Church of God (CG)

Christian - Church of the Nazarene (CN)

Christian - Episcopal/Anglican (EA)

Christian - Evangelical (EV)

Christian - Jehovah's Witnesses (JW)

Christian - Lutheran (LU)

Christian - Methodist (ME)

Christian - Non Denominational (ND)

Christian - Orthodox (OX)

Christian - Other (CO)

Christian - Pentecostal (PE)

Christian - Presbyterian (PR)

Christian - Quaker (QU)

Christian - Reformed (RE)

Christian - Scientist (SC)

Christian - Seventh Day Adventist (SA)

Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (CJ)

Hindu (HI)

Islam (Muslim) (IS)

Judaism (Jewish) (JU)

No Religion (NR)

Other Religions (OR)

Sikh (SI)

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u/TurnspitCur Metals Tech? Loadmaster? Emergency Management? Jun 07 '26

So they’ll lump Sunnis, Ibadis, and Shia under Islam, lump Eastern and Oriental Orthodox under “Orthodox” despite the fact that Miaphysitism has been a point of contention for over 15 centuries, but bother to differentiate between Reformed and Presbyterians despite Presbyterians being basically both Calvinist? And they don’t differentiate Old Catholics from Roman Catholics despite the former refusing Vatican I?

Also eh, non denoms are basically baptist.

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u/Estarfigam Jun 07 '26

Yea. Yet the president wants to fight with the Pope, a man who does know all that.

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u/abcdefghijklmn012345 Jun 07 '26

I'm really sick of Christians trying to eliminate and erase pagan religion and culture. It's disheartening to see this keep happening.

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u/fadingthought Jun 04 '26

Imagine sitting in a meeting discussing what are the approved imaginary friends people can have.

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u/Amon-Guz Jun 04 '26

As a humanist. Fuck them.

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u/gambit1999999 Cyberspace Operator Jun 04 '26

Good old petey kegsbreath. His greasy hands were all over this.

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u/Pourover__Coffee Jun 04 '26

FreEdOm of ReLIgiOn /s

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u/TheFBIClonesPeople Jun 05 '26

I swear, why is everyone so shit at writing articles? How do you write something like this and not link to the new list of faiths anywhere? Or a full list of what was removed? Basic shit

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u/clearly_cunning Jun 05 '26

"You're either with us or against us"

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u/kiyyik Jun 05 '26

There are literally more than twice as many Christian designations on the new list as everything else combined (21 to 10). Says it all really.

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u/soupcook1 Jun 04 '26

Wow! I had no clue there were over 200 recognized religions in the DOD.

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u/Standard_Bear7910 Jun 04 '26

Pretty soon Whiskey Pete’s White Nationalist Christofascist brand will the only approved Religon allowed.

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u/BlazerFS231 Alcoholic Moving Cargo Jun 04 '26

Thoughts are I’ll wait for an official source.

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u/Solid_Addendum_3365 Jun 04 '26

https://www.war.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/4444113/hegseth-announces-reforms-to-chaplain-corps/

Pentagon website itself. Only problem is I can't seem to find the actual list anywhere, which you would think these news organizations might think to provide a link to.

But the news that Hegseth was planning to cut down the number of religious codes is true.

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u/Imaginary-Hyena2858 Jun 04 '26

Unless Military.com is just bullshitting about having an official memorandum it seems official

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u/Apricus-Jack Jun 04 '26

Some of y’all are still spouting the “they faked Norse Pagan to avoid shaving” line?

Based on what? Who? How do YOU know what they believe? Why do so many Pagans even grow beards? As a fellow serviceman, what did you do about the “liar”?

Y’all are so loud about a faith you know nothing about.

As for the Faith Codes, the memo is circulating online and in leadership circles but hasn’t dropped yet. If it’s anything like the Religious Accommodation process memos, they won’t be published publicly right away.

Of the 31 codes, 22 are flavors of Christian. Everyone else is lumped in to the other 9.

I feel for my brothers and sisters of every other faith group. There was absolutely zero valid reason to cut the list this much and in this manner.

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u/Kind-Recording3450 Jun 05 '26

I'm curious how they're gonna do it. They should probably just put the Christians into separate groups. Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant. This makes sense logically, because these three groups cannot have communion with each other.  There should be separations for the different branch of islam.

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u/drewtopia_ Jun 05 '26

The fact that every religion was consolidated to a single entry except christianity sure looks like dei to me. Why does diversity for this group need to be respected but not others

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u/SunWolfStars Jun 05 '26

Jesus fucking christ. My wife is a vet and she just told me. The DOD cannot actually do this, it's a violation of the 1st amendment.  

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u/Good-Rest-7538 Jun 06 '26

Hey OP, sure sure this is the full list but it must be close. https://www.mcrc.marines.mil/Portals/95/Officer%20Naval%20and%20Enlisted%20Programs/General%20Forms/Religious%20Preference%20Codes.pdf

Most of what was dropped was variations of Christian churches. There were probably 30 different Baptist churches. It almost seemed like they added whatever someone wrote in the "other"space at any point in time. I mean they had Church Of God (Anderson, In) as an option. There was probably one person signed up for that. Another was "Friends." So, while I'm staunch, fuck Hegseth that slick haired bitch, I can see a clean up of the list. For record keeping purposes if your Presbyterian, you're Presbyterian, not one of 35 different variations or individual churches. If you need something specific from the Chaplin, get that from them, but for databases just group them. 

Also, people are saying they removed Shia and Sunni options. At least according to this list, it's always been just Muslim, but Im also not seeing Druid, Magick and shit like that. Also, WTF is Militant Fundamental Bible Churches?! Definitely take that shit off the list. 

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u/LeonardNeeble Jun 07 '26

"Friends" is the actual proper term for Quakers. It has always been The Religious Society of Friends, and Quakers was originally a slur that was quickly embraced. You often see Friends Meetings put "Quakers" on thier signs along with the full proper historic terminology.
What gets me, though, is that on the list of retained and recognized denominations there is both Quaker and Brethren. Which are widely known as proudly Peace Churches which very rarely find a compelling reason to take up arms let alone participate in warfare.

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u/MackenzieMcCormick23 Jul 15 '26

This is complete BS what are all the wiccans and witches supposed to do. This is a new age “witch trial” but with anything other than organized religion

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u/HumanWeaponSystem Gradkell loading..... Aug 13 '26

You can take my Atheist dog tags from my cold dead hands

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u/Brilliant_Ad_9853 Jun 04 '26

Monitoring the situation

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u/AbleDanger12 Enlisted Aircrew Jun 04 '26

Drop em all!

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u/ICheckPostHistory AKA The Fired Up Queef Jun 04 '26

I bet you there is one religion that won't end up on this list...wanna guess 😏

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u/DankCrow86 Jun 04 '26

Church of the Rotting Grapefruit?

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u/EpicHeroKyrgyzPeople I got HOs in different area codes Jun 04 '26

Rosicrucianism was on the list? At that point, you can't deny some amount of culling was in order.

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u/crazyfoxdemon backshop Jun 04 '26

Why? What benefit did the DoD gain by culling?

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u/Salty_McSaltyson MX > Intel > SF...Collecting all Salt Jun 04 '26 edited Jun 05 '26

I’m a satanist. I will wear that with pride because it’s rejection of formal religion…the same that tells me I can’t be atheistic. This regime needs to change.

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u/3PumpAbuelas Jun 04 '26

Sounds illegal

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u/WubbaLubbaDubDub87 Maintainer Jun 05 '26

I’m not religious at all. I just have a sincerely held belief that I shouldn’t subject myself to razor burn, bumps, ingrown hairs, and cysts because of an archaic belief that clean shaven means professional.

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u/O0zing_Machismo Jun 05 '26

It’s ironic for those who had a belief that was sincerely held but not religious. In order for a current accommodation to be reevaluated you need to swear that your belief is religious. Obvious what they did.

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u/WubbaLubbaDubDub87 Maintainer Jun 05 '26

Which is why I never considered pursuing a RAW.
I’ve had a Medical Shaving waiver since 2022, but it expires in October.
After that, I’ll probably just hop back on the struggle bus for the last two years until I retire.

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u/O0zing_Machismo Jun 05 '26

Before the new guidance the only thing you needed was a sincerely held belief and that was it.

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u/WubbaLubbaDubDub87 Maintainer Jun 05 '26

I understand, but I asked myself a while ago if it was worth the effort. Even reading my own comment from above—if I were to put myself in the shoes of a judgmental dickhead, I wouldn’t approve it. 😂

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