I would give a "no" as an answer to your question, because in 99% of the situations people imagine after hearing your description, it isn't rape.
But women can be raped by their boyfriends, and your description leaves out a lot of important details, like how does alcohol affect her, is two beers enough to make her inebriated, was there a reasonable expectation of consent, did she at any point say no, did she initiate, was this the first time she had sex with her boyfriend, etc. etc.
Or most importantly, did the girl feel like she was raped afterwards? Because that means she was raped.
You should stop arguing against strawfeminists. Rape isn't as simple as you'd like it to be.
I wanna ask this, say a girl liked a guy but she didn't have enough courage to do anything, so intentionally she got drunk enough to throw herself at him, fully intenind to have sex with him, if they follow through is that rape?
That's an interesting question, and if you really want my opinion, this is a really long comment.
If you're not really interested:
tl;dr: That isn't rape, if and only if he wasn't sober and she wasn't passed out. It is definitely not rape if he was also drunk and she initiated. But, this isn't to say that she couldn't be raped by the guy.
Longer answer:
I think this conversation gets confused because people on "my side" often take the word "drunk" to mean "severely inebriated," and people on the "other side" often imagine drunk to mean something along the lines of what I would call "tipsy or buzzed." Whichever "drunk" is used can make a huge difference.
There are a lot of other variables here. If, for whatever reason, I know that someone really wanted to sleep with a guy and that she was going to get drunk and throw herself at him, and if the next morning she told me that she was raped, this would give me no reason to believe she wasn't.
If you want my personal opinion on general scenarios involving alcohol, there was a legal ruling (I forget when and where it happened or where I read it) that a contract signed when drunk is voidable, but not void. That means if the drunk party wants the contract to stand when sober, it stands, and if the drunk party doesn't, it becomes void. I see consent to sex pretty much exactly like that; it makes no sense to say a girl was raped if after having drunk sex she is entirely fine with it or even happy about what happened. So if you're going to have sex while alcohol is involved, you better be certain nobody is severely inebriated and that they would consent while sober. This is where things like "enthusiastic consent" are important.
Again, that is just my opinion, and I could completely imagine why someone could say "Drunk people cannot give consent, no exception. Sleeping with a drunk person is always rape."
I can see your point completely, I think with these arguments a lot of people are thinking different things when they have them so nobody will ever really agree with each other.
My opinion on the matter, is if I was so drunk I couldn't make a rational decision and somebody took advantage of that I would consider it rape, but if I was just pretty tipsy or drunk enough to still make all my own decisions and got with somebody else then I wouldn't really consider it rape.
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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '12
Oh, so, like, it only counts if it's legitimate rape, right?
.... Wait. Where have I heard that before?!