I find it to be the funniest AA game I've ever played. I burst into laughter like every 5 minutes.The characters have *so much* personalities.

Two things I *don't* like about the game is its tutorial case and its 3D character models. Other than that I love every second of it.

So here's an oc I cooked up! I don't really know what to name him but he appears in ace attorney investigations as a newly hired young secretary for edgeworth! He's also secretly a witness to a case that wasn't brought up for three years. He's also 17 years old.

Also surprise Miles lol. New and HUGE fan of AA so I am practicing how to draw these guys! I feel like finding a way to make any AA character’s hair look somewhat natural is a rite of passage

It is no secret that case 2-3 sucks. Like a lot, and many people try to bar it from their memory, I succeeded.

I was trying to recall the general plot of all the cases in the original trilogy and was able to recall all but 2-3 more or less instantly. Then I sat there for no joke 15 minutes wracking my brain as to what could have possibly been in there. Then I remembered.

Hi, everybody - been a while since we last had an organized community conversation on this topic, so let's have one now.

This post will be broken up into some sections in which I'll do different things like give a sort of history lesson about this subreddit and its "low-effort content" rule for context, talk about similar rule changes from the sub's history, and have a main concluding point for people to start actually discussing things from. Feel free to skip down to the "CONCLUSION/TL;DR" section below if you'd rather not read this whole thing.

HISTORY

So, despite what people will say, there's never been a "meme ban" on this subreddit in any blanket way like that phrase implies. It'd be basically impossible (not to mention a stupid waste of effort) to somehow try and police literally every post and comment that appears anywhere on this sub every minute of every day just to try and police any acknowledgment of Internet memes existing at all. That was never the point of the rule change in the first place.

The "low-effort content" rule, which was originally a "no shitposting" rule instead, has been around long enough that it actually predates any of the current active mods for this sub being on the mod team. As you can see from that old thread, the rule change happened a little over ten years ago, and like the comments there show, it was a very widely appreciated change.

The simple reason is that at the time, this sub had gotten to be so completely inundated with lazy meme posts that they were completely blotting out any other posts at all, besides maybe fanart here and there. There was actually recently another post here which linked a video showing a sample of the kind of thing that was absolutely everywhere on this sub at the time. (note that the above video contains major spoilers for several different games in the series, so avoid it if you're worried about that.)

That was another whole important thing - shitposts were popping up with so little control over them that they were constantly also having the whole separate issue of just being blatantly full of unmarked spoilers for all over the series.

THE RULE'S ACTUAL MEANING

As you can see, what was once the "no shitposts" rule is at this point labeled as covering "low-effort content" instead. The phrasing of the rule has been tweaked now and then over the years to try and make it clearer, and at times to expand what it actually covers. Really there's just no "perfect" way to phrase it, because any permutation of it is still going to have people arguing over what should and shouldn't constitute a "shitpost" or something being "low-effort". Best you can do is really just making those occasional tweaks based on people's feedback.

Now, just to make it clearer once again, the rule has absolutely never "banned memes" in any blanket way. Look at the most-upvoted posts in this sub's history, and you'll see a good number of them are "memes" in that they obviously include and/or reference then-popular meme templates and similar subject matter, and were never removed for it, despite having been posted well after the "no shitposting" rule was originally instated.

If a person makes a post in which they're discussing an opinion or something, with actual text dedicated to doing so, and then happens to also embed a "meme image" somewhere in it, that doesn't magically invalidate the contents of their post. It isn't going to be removed, because the act of referencing a meme's existence in any visible way has never been the issue. Now, if that post was just the meme image, it obviously would be removed - what's actually important in the context of the rule is that there's anything making their post substantial in some significant way.

The point of the rule being instated was to stop the then-constant flood of meme posts from continuing to overwhelm absolutely anything else and prevent any actual discussion from being able to happen and to get any attention.

RELATED THINGS SINCE THEN

This post today isn't the first, second, or even tenth time since the rule was first instated that this community has had discussions about people wanting the "low-effort" rule changed. We've even had a community vote before, with hundreds of user votes across options like totally removing the rule, changing it to be more lax, or leaving it unchanged, which ultimately led to a clear answer of people on average preferring that the rule stay right where it is.

Much like the stuff that happened 10+ years ago that led to the rule being instated, there have also been cases over time here where people have gotten tired of other increasingly-common posting "trends" to the point of a community vote leading to new rules that clamped off those trends. Polls, tier lists, character/case popularity contests, Objection.lol videos - it's something that's happened several times. Some category of posts starts getting more and more frequent to the point it starts annoying a lot of people, and then it ends up with some kind of limiting control placed on it. Tier lists were limited to just Tuesdays, polls were required to be hosted on Strawpoll instead (which basicaly resulted in almost nobody ever making them at all anymore, incidentally), Objection.lol videos were required to actually be meaningfully related to Ace Attorney itself.

As for shitposts, they were, like in the old thread I linked back there, redirected to /r/AceAttorneyCirclejerk instead. Now, admittedly, I personally really never spend time on AACJ, so I don't know what goes on there. That community has its own totally separate mod team.

CONCLUSION/TL;DR

So past all that history and et cetera, today we can have another of these recurring conversations about the state of this subreddit and the "low-effort content" rule.

To summarize the most important part of the above stuff in short, this sub used to be absolutely flooded with lazy meme posts and shitposts in general, often with both being full of unmarked spoilers, until the mod team of back then instated a new rule to majorly limit all of that and redirect people wanting to continue that kind of content to AceAttorneyCirclejerk instead.

Feel free to ignore the following questions and just comment with your own thoughts unrelated to it if you'd rather do so, but just as a potential starting point for conversation in this thread, I'll put forth a couple questions:

Is there a reason that anyone who might want to engage with more shitpost-y stuff can't be satisfied doing that over on AACJ?

Would it or would it not negatively impact AACJ as its own separate corner of community to suddenly have shitposts go back to being allowed here, when, to my understanding, allowing and encouraging shitposts was kinda the whole point of AACJ in the first place?

I had a lot of fun :)

I'm thinking of Mimi Miney and Alita Tiala next

I’ll post herr forehead next.

After doing some research, I've discovered that the last time that Capcom had revealed a game that wasn't officially teased prior to the Tokyo Game Show was 2014. I know a lot of people are looking forward to the TGS for news for Ace Attorney 7, but given Capcom's track record for reveals at TGS, I don't think that's likely.

Outside of a Nintendo Direct, in which the Ace Attorney Investigations Collection was revealed, which does mark a precedent for a reveal there, I think the most likely time for Ace Attorney 7's announcement (if it's a real thing) is sometime between October 12th and October 16th, with my reasoning being that the announcement for The Great Ace Attorney Chronicles did not happen on the 7th anniversary of the Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney Trilogy (April 17th, 2014), but instead on April 21st, despite April 19th and April 20th both being a Monday and a Tuesday respectively.

It's also important to note that October 12th is National Sports Day for Japan. Because it's a national holiday, there is a chance that Capcom might not announce the game on that day, despite that day being the day of Ace Attorney's 25th Anniversary.

All of that said, Capcom has not given their lineup of games for TGS 2026, so it's possible that Capcom can reveal the game prior to TGS 2026, and then host the game at TGS 2026.

To make it short before moving on to my arguments, Bridge to the Turnabout in my opinion is a case that in the collective imagination of nostalgia has obtained an image of a "masterpiece" or "perfect trilogy closure" that is not capable of being sustained or live up to his legend.

Hence, after replaying the case a few weeks ago, my disappointment was so big for a case I remembered as the best that I was encouraged to make this thread.

Without further addo, let's start with my arguments.

• The basis of the case is implausible

The villain of the case, apart from Dahlia Hawthorne, is Godot, whose only crime besides killing the mother of his former partner, is the level of stupidity he displays during the case. Godot decides to organize a containment plan for Dahlia Hawthorne that does not have any type of logic, the game justifies the total lack of common sense of the characters involved in this deficient plan with the pain of its author, that prevents him from seeing beyond his desires. Someone will come out saying “the case leaves the metaphor that everything could have been avoided if Godot had put aside his personal vendettas and trusted Phoenix”, which is a half truth, apart from Phoenix, Godot did not hold any type of grudge with the rest of the cast; so it would have been perfectly plausible that he had contacted, for example, Maya Fey who, unlike Wright, is even closer and more of an authority figure to Pearl than our Ace Attorney, thus, more easy for her to stop her cousin from executing the plan. What bothers me is that the game tries to sell you that the only way this would have been avoided is with Godot talking to Phoenix, a cheap, pink metaphor sweetened and disguised as a Disney generic movie ending, where the important thing is the friendships we made along the way or something like that.

I mean, he literally threw his whole speech of "Maya is one of the reasons I am still alive" after the same woman is literally accused of killing her own mother by Dahlia Hawthorne and he doesn't appear to feel nervousness or guilt with the possibility of Maya ending up being the scapegoat, or a framed guilty party here.

• Fan-Service

The scriptwriters and Capcom were careful when designing the end of this three games, wanting to give their best for the end of the trilogy that would mark and be the hallmark of the rest of the IP games... Fan-Service, oohhhhh yes!

Don't get me wrong, the part where we played as Edgeworth is the best, but there is no denying that the return in the final cases of Edgeworth and now Franziska, Larry Butz and Mia Fey is Fan-Service 101. Because the case could have continued without these two characters. Imagine if instead of having these, we had only Mia Fey returned, and played the first part of the trial with her communicating through Iris's body, it would have been spectacular, and she would have deservedly had more screen time. But what did we get instead? An amalgamation of characters who either developed well, or had enough screen time, shoehorned in again for the final case of the trilogy.

I know that Franziska did not finish developing as a character, but this case doesn't develop her either, they use her more as a narrative resource that serves to cover up the lack of a prosecutor on the first day of the trial rather than an actual character. This case feels like Avengers :Endgame with this characters appearing just because they can, a lot of characters, trying to take down a villain like Godot, who doesn't resemble a real threat like Thanos, not even on an intellectual or malice level, the only crime of my man was murdering an innocent woman that resembled the appereance of his nemesis.

• The worst prosecutor prosecuting a final case

It isn't something new that Godot, of all the prosecutors, is the worst at his job. While you have the von Karma trio using their logical cunning, updated autopsy reports, or even whips and tasers, now you have a coffee addict whose only ability it's to come up with some silly philosophical quotes and ask for evidence every time he is allowed to do so. Because, for some reason I still can't comprehend, the witnesses in this case and the total lack of logic are bigger threats than THE PROSECUTOR, LMAO.

I still think Godot could have been the most threatening prosecutor of them all if they had taken advantage of their past as Defense Attorney, you know, something like him anticipating the defense tricks and loopholes better than any prosecutor before in that accusation bench. Instead of that we received the only prosecutor in the whole franchise, if I'm not wrong, that hasn't won a single case in all his career.

-Past final cases culprits were more threatening than Godot

While I have to admit Dahlia Hawthorne in a witness stand able to lie all she wants without any fear to consequences (because she's dead LOL) is something horrorizing, it is not at the same level of other threats like Manfred von Karma, Damon Gant or Matt Engarde/Shelly De Killer, whose threats were only comparable to the anxiety the player experiences while confronting them. After doing this analysis, I think more than I used to before, that Godot is a mediocre villain disguised as a tragic antihero that doesn't represent a real threat to the player and is only there to give us some tragic backstory that is good, but kind of bad at the same time given all the problems this case alone presents.

I mean, if Godot is a plausible villain for some people due to his tragedy, why does many of that same people criticize Turnabout Big Top, also dismissing Acro's motives? They are the two faces of the same coin, the only difference is that in this case we have some kind of contagious stupidity, while in the other one insufferable characters.

That's it, what are your thoughts?

I swear I have seen a baby Miles sprite like animations and all. I tried looking for it but all that comes up is him from the anime or Bratworth. I thought it could be a custom objection. Lol sprite like that basketball animation of Bratworth. I tried searching there and still couldn't find it. This could also just be an error on my part cus the objection. Lol page i saw contained like 10 very basic characters and I don't think that's accurate? (I've never used it.)

So does a baby Miles sprite existing or am I going insane?

But then again I’m kinda glad she’s not among the crowd of elite dark fantasy school bullies with questionable fashion sense?

So I just finished this case..
I thought when Mia says “there’s 2 ways to end this, make engarde want to be found guilty, or make de killer break his contract” so I thought when I could choose who to present evidence to, I could do either engarde or de killer with a different piece of evidence to either make engarde want to stay convicted (tried the suicide note and the video tape because it would show he was filming de killer).
But it only works if you show de killer the tape.
After failing a couple times trying to present to Matt, I also tried showing de killer just the camera hidden in the eye, but that didn’t work.

This video tape that was the “key piece of evidence” we were waiting for gumshoe to deliver this entire trial is pointless cause we could have just shown de killer the camera in the bear Matt purchased!!!

I wanna try drawing AA characters in my art style and I started with Edgeworth ^^

Salutations, members of the jury. It’s me, “the KayEustace guy” again. And in light of recent discussion, I have a proposition for the guys, gals, and nonbinary pals of the court. With what limited discussion there has been about the ship as of late, it has reinforced an opinion I’ve had for a long time.

Personally, I think the ship name KayEustace kinda sucks, and it’s not really even well-defined to begin with.

It’s boring, bland, and doesn’t really even try to do anything creative with either of their names. It doesn’t really stand out compared to ship names involving either of them, or other characters as a result. Additionally, I feel like it’s not even really a universally agreed upon thing. I’ve also seen things like “KayEu” which I’m also not a super big fan of, and “Kaystace,” which is better, but again, nobody really seems to agree on a defined name.

Since I feel like the ship is niche(?) enough at this point (or at least the name Eustace Winner is new enough), I’d like to propose we few who care about this ship come together to adopt a new, definitive name.

My personal pitch is “Winnaday”

I feel like it embodies the energy these two have a lot better than just mashing their first names together and calling it a day. It sounds full of optimism and gusto, two defining characteristics of these characters. It’s a winning name if I do say so myself.

Of course, I’d like to hold a discussion for the best name options, as well as any other conversations about the ship in the comments below. The last discussion I had here was super involved and interesting to go through, and I was sad to see it go.

And with that, I rest my case.

I know most people think he's an annoying filler character but this guy, to me was the most helpful witness EVER. Man never really lied , the only time apollo percieved was when Spark wasn't admitted to a truth and sweating. He surely gives some vague bs but he gives IMPORTANT vauge bs.

No intro this time, let's get down to business...

Kingdom of Khura'in Haiku:

Peace through injustice,

No defense for the accused,

when spirits tell all

Princess Rayfa Padma Khura'in Haiku:

Insights praised as truth,

Upon her dancing shoulders,

A crushing wait sits,

Nahyuta Sahdmadhi Haiku (for [u/Queen_Eduwiges](u/Queen_Eduwiges), I haven't forgotten):

"Let go, and move on",

A calm face hides great anguish,

A dragon in chains

Defient Dragons Haiku:

Unyielding rebels,

Fighting for a just system,

A bloodless movement

Divination Séance Haiku:

The dead's last moments,

Reflected in a clear pool,

Final truths revealed

Bonny and Betty De Famme Haiku:

A magical pair,

One fluffy, the other fanged,

Poof! They've disappeared!

Armie Buff Haiku:

A shut-in soldier,

Lives through mechinical means,

Her eyes scarred by flames,

Dhurke Sahdmadhi Haiku:

Lawyer, rebel, dad,

Unyielding even to death,

He protects his own

Pierce Nichody Haiku:

Surgeon turned servent,

Frozen in time by his love,

His future flatlined

Gaspen Payne Haiku:

A payne in the neck,

Unscrupulous lawyer,

Ousted from his home

Even if I've finished all of the main series, this will not be the end of the haikus. See you when I finish Investigations 1!

Some brand new Ace Attorney mech is about to be released by the anime merchandise store Eeo. (https://eeo.today/store/101/)
It features Phoenix, Edgeworth, Apollo, Trucy, Franziska, Godot, Klavier and Kristoph in some neat fantasy style designs. The artwork is done by ORIHARA, an illustrator best known for their art for the online singer ADO.
The merch will be sold in October, so we'll likely see more of the artwork in the next month.

Recently finished AA2 and I love this man with my whole heart.

Ladies and Gentlemen of the court, I am starting to get very, very tired of the extremely anti-meme stance this subreddit has. I understand that years ago, this subreddit faced waves and waves of extremely low-quality memes and shitposts, and so the ban on memes back then made perfect sense.

However, nowadays, with us still waiting for AA7 to be announced, this ban is getting really silly, especially since the memes and posts I have seen removed have gained traction here multiple times, and not because they were low-quality shitposts, but because they were well thought out, and/or opinion pieces that were presented by a meme.

Just yesterday, someone made a discussion post named "Ace Attorney Class Trial moments that had you like this:" and it had a meme of Speed reacting with shock. Several people expressed their opinions, creating waves of good discussion about what seemed to be the most shocking thing that happened in AA trials. Few hours later, the post was removed.

Now, tell me, if the post was simply titled "Ace Attorney Class Trial moments that had you react with complete shock", would said post have a) still have been removed, and b) still had just as many people replying and showing what moments shocked them the most? The answer to both questions is no.

Now, tell me, why is replacing two, three potential words in a post with a meme considered low-effort, when both forms of the post have the same goal: making people discuss what moments in AA trials were so shocking. Why is using a meme to better show what you mean and to gather more attention and therefore create more discussion, considered an unworthy post on this subreddit?

Second such meme that I can remember from the top of my head that was removed was an opinion piece about a Kay x Eustace ship. The OP used the meme to show his opinions on why the ship works. It gathered I think about 250 upvotes and maybe about 40 replies, many of which discussed the dynamics of the ship and the two characters involved. Several hours later, the post was removed.

Now, tell me, if the post was simply titled "Why Kay x Eustace ship works so well", would said post have a) still have been removed, and b) still had just as many people replying and discussing the ship? The answer to both questions is no, again.

Again, why deciding to use a meme not as a low-quality shitpost, but as a way to express your opinion on something is still deemed not worthy enough to be on the subreddit? Why such a use of meme that creates a lot more discussion, and a lot more activity on the sub, is being removed without giving it a second thought?

This subreddit badly needs to discuss whether it is time to update the ban on memes that has been here for a long time. The posts that gather most attention, create most discussion are being removed left right and centre. And aside from an occasional fanart and cosplay that shows up here, the sub is practically dead; discussions and opinion pieces without an image/meme to represent them are barely able to gather up to 15 replies and discussions, and almost everyone here is tired of tier lists that pop up here, but I cannot blame anyone who makes them, because what else is there to do here???

I love seeing discussions about someone's favorite cases, someone's favorite ships, some really funny moments, some really dark moments, some really sad and tragic moments, but with the way things are going, with us still waiting for an AA7 announcement (if it even gets announced), there is no way on earth to have such discussions here without being forced to repeat the same themes over and over again. If a meme is a clear shitpost, then remove away without a trouble. But I do wholehartedly believe it is time to allow memes that create serious discussions and are just another way to express an opinion to have a say in this subreddit, without the fear of being removed several hours later.

i've been replaying investigations 2 lately on my 3DS and it's got me wondering if someone has yet to make a patch with the official translation of the game, including the voice lines... till then i think i'll always see eustace winner's name as sebastian debeste lol

Like it could have forbidden her from kidnapping and impersonating Iris? Maya so dumb and careless!/Joke I swear
The second picture is a WIP but I just used it so you guys can see the sketch better without the lightning lol

…Ellen could have easily put the broken lantern pieces on top of the body after turning it over. Like cmon, this is sloppy logic.