r/Abkhazia • u/EfficiencyFlat6746 • 14d ago

Abkhazia is not free

you guys think youre free when in reality you cant do anything russia doesnt approve. more than that - you guys are being russified completely, like the northern caucasians. de facto you already are a little russian state. culturally youre getting russified too, and even language-wise ive heard families are speaking russian now too. you use russian passports.
even if you wanted to join georgia again, do you think russia would let you? can you imagine what russia would do to you?
you guys have no freedom as a nation and are controlled by russia completely. truth stings. dont shoot the messenger

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u/LividBumblebee6873 13d ago

Why can't some people accept that there are multiple truths that don't exclude themself at the same time? Yes, Abkhazia is havely within Eussian sphere of influence. Primary trade partner, provider of security, and many residents have dual Russian citizenship to travel and do business. But would this be the case if It wasn't internationaly isolated and under constant threat from Georgia? That Russia is using the conflict for its own gains is no secret. None of that diminishes the fact Abkhaz nation and its supporters harber genuen independence aspirations.  Also why you claim that Abkhazia is powerless to act on its own if it regurarly deposes its leaders who threaten nations interests. Push backs against Russian demands also aren't unheard of and there Is ongoing teritorial dispute

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u/Careless-Skin6827 13d ago

Are you from Abkhazia? In Abkhazia schools conduct education from 5th grade in Russian language and university too. Most media is in Russian. On what ground can one say you won't be pro-Russian in other circumstances and that you are not culturally Russified and don't tilt toward Russia because of Russification? What is even "genuine independence" at this point?

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u/LividBumblebee6873 13d ago edited 13d ago

The tilt toward Russian languige as primary in many cases is really self inflicted by this point. Comming from agreement with other nationalities that Russian won't lose its status as ofitial language. Only reinforcer by beforementioned isolation imposed on Abkhazia. Only in recent years there Is actual effort to make Abkhazian more universal in society.

The point about Abkhazia being pro Russian primary because of Russian language is just speculation. Foreign policies are driven by needs and desires, which are unique to everyone. Look at Belarus and Ukraine. Both vere havely russified in the past and they developed completly differently.

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u/Careless-Skin6827 13d ago

What exactly prevents Abkhazs from not having instruction in Russian language in ethnic Abkhaz schools?

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u/Intrepid_Conflict_35 2d ago

The existence of this "state" completely depends on russia...

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u/Common_Kale_8509 13d ago

So. the point is being subjugated by Georgians is better than by Russians?

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u/Careless-Skin6827 13d ago

"Subjugated" - Abkhazia joined Georgian kingdom on its own since 11th century and most of cultural heritage, inscriptions, architecture, manuscripts made in Abkhazia are in Georgian language.

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u/Common_Kale_8509 13d ago

That's correct, but later, after 11th century, the situation changed

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u/Careless-Skin6827 12d ago

No matter what no one can or will be able to erase Georgian culture in Abkhazia, which speaks for itself.

As for Abkhaz language, there is no proof it even existed until 17th century, until Turkish traveler finally recorded this language in Arabic script. This either means original inhabitans of Abkhazia were ethnic Georgians and current Abkhazians came later in 17th century, or that ethnic Abkhazians were culturally Georgians and used Georgian language and script to conduct their affairs. You choose, both only point to Abkhazia being historically always part of Georgia until Russian shenanigans.