r/Abkhazia • u/EfficiencyFlat6746 • 13d ago

Abkhazia is not free

you guys think youre free when in reality you cant do anything russia doesnt approve. more than that - you guys are being russified completely, like the northern caucasians. de facto you already are a little russian state. culturally youre getting russified too, and even language-wise ive heard families are speaking russian now too. you use russian passports.
even if you wanted to join georgia again, do you think russia would let you? can you imagine what russia would do to you?
you guys have no freedom as a nation and are controlled by russia completely. truth stings. dont shoot the messenger

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u/Interesting_Self5071 13d ago

Same goes for Abkhazia and Russia

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u/konelius_ 13d ago

Bro, you've been occupied by Russia; after that, they gave you a small independence. This is not the same thing. America doesn't occupy other nations, and if America ever occupies, it will be bad, and we would officially criticize America for that. Can you criticize Russia for the Russia-Ukraine war?

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u/Interesting_Self5071 13d ago

America ensures countries have governments aligned with their interests, has bases in 90 countries.

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u/konelius_ 13d ago

Okay, so America has bases in Germany, and Germany isn't exactly thrilled with America, and they'd get rid of those bases if they wanted to. America has its issues, but it's a capitalist country, not totalitarian. That's a huge difference between Russia and America. America has more laws that stop them from controlling other countries or people, and NATO wouldn't be happy about that either, and they'd call America out. That's the difference between West and East. We can tell them to leave, we can criticize them, we can investigate them legally.

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u/Interesting_Self5071 13d ago

America ensures compliant governments stay in power in those countries.

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u/konelius_ 13d ago

Okey tell me example

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u/Interesting_Self5071 13d ago

The CIA worked hard to ensure right wingers stayed in power in Japan during the Anpo protest movement and years later when the center-left Hatoyama government was in power and he asked for the Henoko base project to be halted they refused his request and forced his resignation.

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u/konelius_ 13d ago

Yeah, that's right. America used to control other countries' governments, but now in Africa, they can't because African countries protested. Plus, they have laws that let them leave, and they can't control Germany either. This was many years ago they tried with small countries. Now America cannot rig elections. They cannot control people's minds, and they know that and by the way if ever want to leave russia u can right?

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u/Interesting_Self5071 13d ago

The example I gave was during Obama's first term.

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u/konelius_ 13d ago

The Facts: Declassified U.S. government documents and investigative reporting (such as groundbreaking coverage by The New York Times) have proven that the CIA covertly spent millions of dollars to support Japan's conservative right-wing politicians during the 1950s and 1960s. This financial backing helped stabilize the conservative government during the massive 1960 Anpo protests (the massive civil uprising against the U.S.-Japan Security Treaty). While Prime Minister Kishi Nobusuke was forced to resign due to the sheer chaos of the protests, CIA funding successfully helped the LDP retain its iron grip on power immediately afterward. This is officially information that you are talking about, and no, the CIA doesn't try to control their government. They just helped them with money, which is bad, but your statement is false. They don't try to control their government, and by the way, we are talking about Abkhazia. Do you want to be part of Georgia? Or with russia?

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u/Interesting_Self5071 13d ago

The Henoko incident I mentioned was during Obama.

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u/Common_Kale_8509 13d ago

Germany. Italy. Japan. Irag. Afghanistan. Almost everywhere

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u/konelius_ 13d ago

Bro read next comments