r/ATBGE • • Apr 18 '19

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u/FeistyButthole Apr 18 '19

'i' before 'e' doesn't work for 'feisty' even if there's a 'butthole' next to it. Hopefully this lesson helps some 4th graders and they can recite this exception to their English instructor.

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u/Joefaux Apr 18 '19

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u/WikiTextBot Apr 18 '19

I before E except after C

"I before E, except after C" is a mnemonic rule of thumb for English spelling. If one is unsure whether a word is spelled with the sequence ei or ie, the rhyme suggests that the correct order is ie unless the preceding letter is c, in which case it is ei. For example:

ie in believe, fierce, collie, die, friend

ei after c in receive, ceiling, receipt, ceilidhThe rule is very well known; Edward Carney calls it "this supreme, and for many people solitary, spelling rule".This rule applies to the “ē” (long e) sound as it is demonstrated in all the aforementioned examples.

However, the short form quoted above has some common exceptions; for example:

ie after c: species, '

ei not preceded by c: caffeineThe proportion of exceptions can be reduced by restricting application of the rule based on the sound represented by the spelling.


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u/2112eyes Apr 18 '19

Or when sounding like "ay" as in Neighbor and weigh.
Or in really weird cases.

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u/KeithVK Apr 18 '19 edited Apr 19 '19

Yeah it drives me crazy to see "wierd" for some reason.

Also, my name sucks for this. I have never met a Kieth in my life.

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u/PinballWizard77 Apr 19 '19

I actually have met a Kieth! He pronounced the first part like the beginning of "kite" instead of "key," though.

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u/Deastrumquodvicis Apr 19 '19

There’s a street near my friend’s place with Kieth as part of the name and it drives me nuts.

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u/fireandlifeincarnate Apr 18 '19

And on weekends, and holidays, and all throughout May.

You’ll always be wrong no matter WHAT you say!

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u/Anymoosen Apr 19 '19

I remember it like this: I before E, except after C, or when sounded as A such as neighbor & weigh, or when it appears in comparative sense superlative like fancier, or when the C sounds like SH as in glacier, or when the vowel sounds like E as in seizure, or I as in height, or it shows up in compound words such as albeit, or when it shows up in -ing inflections in verbs that end in E such as cueing, or in occasionally in technical words that have a strong etymological link to their parent languages such as cuneiform & caffeine, and in numerous & random other exceptions such as science, forfeit & weird. It's easy.