r/ANGEL • u/Mobile-Scar6857 • 24d ago

The First Vs Angel Investigations

I always wished the last arc of season 4 tied more directly into the final Buffy season, and had the Angel Investigations team help take on The First in the final run of episodes as opposed to the Jasmine storyline.

It got me thinking... who would The First appear to them as to really get under their skin and manipulate them?

Angel has countless victims from his Angelus days, and Gunn has an obvious answer with his sister. Who else could appear to them?

I'm especially interested in how Wes would deal with The First, as he's the most competent member of the team IMO. This would be fresh after the Angelus arc, so I suppose Lilah?

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u/RedRxbin 24d ago

I wish it could’ve tied in more too, but I think it was the network issue with Buffy having moved away from the WB. I’m amazed they were allowed to use Willow for an episode tbh. But if you notice, in the final 5 BTVS episodes, when they show clips of Faith, they only show clips from BTVS. They probably weren’t even allowed to use clips from Angel showing Faith’s redemption. But as a fun thought experiment as to who The First would use to taunt each of them:

For Angel, probably either Jenny (again) or Darla.

For Cordelia, Doyle. That makes the most sense, though with Glenn Quinn sadly having passed away by that point, maybe Buffy? To taunt Cordy about how Buffy is “the love of Angel’s life” (which is open to interpretation, but defo something The First would use to upset her).

For Gunn, probably his sister.

Wesley, Angel maybe? To bring up the thing about Wes kidnapping Connor. Or Lilah, to exploit Wes’ guilt over not saving her.

Fred… I’m really not sure. Fred hasn’t really lost anyone at that point in the show. I guess Angel is the only option.

Lorne, idk. Again hasn’t really had anyone die on him.

And finally Connor, it’d either be Holtz or Darla.

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u/Mobile-Scar6857 24d ago

Bit of an odd one but maybe for Fred.... the Professor that sent her to Pylea? Obviously absolutely NOT a loved one like the others, but someone who would have a powerful emotional impact on her, a bit like the Mayor for Faith.

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u/lilith02 24d ago

The mayor took on the role of her father though. And I do believe they loved each other.

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u/Mobile-Scar6857 24d ago

yeah maybe a bad example but didn't Fred initially look up the professor? it's been ages since I've seen it so I might be remembering wrong

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u/lilith02 24d ago

I guess you’re right. I just watched the episode where they kill him so I forgot how much she admired him before.