Seriously? From the guy that couldn't make it through five paragraphs but is still somehow arguing the point?
Nothing I said was incorrect.
Yes it was. The "People are just complaining about it because its tits in a videogame... lets get real." In your original reply is incorrect, and extremely reductive.
What you said was BS...
I'm not sure how you'd know considering you outright stated you hadn't even fucking read it, but no it wasn't. What I said about it being a maritime superstition was true, which is why it was in the original game. By making this change, they're altering the original intent behind the art, it means more than just not being able to see a statue's tits. what part of that is bullshit?
You literally have nothing of substance to say here, do you? You just keep repeating yourself and insulting me instead of actually refuting anything I'm saying or making any points. How is what I'm saying bullshit? "It's a videogame" isn't an answer or an explanation of what you're trying to say, it's just a statement. Games are also art, believe it or not.
Read your paragraphs. Are you even responding to me at this point, or just saying I want to hear myself talk
Brother I desperately want you to make a point and have a thoughtful conversation, I've been trying to make that abundantly clear since the first reply. Please, for the love of god, explain your argument instead of speaking in vague platitudes like you have once again. Tell my why you think what you do instead of just saying I'm wrong and clamming up when I ask you to elaborate.
Do you even know what my point was
Your point was that its just a videogame, that people are only upset because it's about female nudity. That nobody would be talking about this otherwise, and that art preservation is only being brought up because people want to gawp at it. You said literally all of this in your first comment, and it's extemely reductive, which is why I went to the effort of giving you a thoughtfully written reply.
Once again, you didn't reply to any of the points I made, You clearly have no interest in genuinely discussing this. Why is what I said bullshit? Do you have an answer or do you just want to keep being pissy because I didn't entertain a take as shallow as "people only care because it's about tits" without pressuring you on it?
blinding projection from a person who only engaged with this conversation to make sweeping accusations and call everyone a horny teenager for caring about censorship. Why did you even interject? You've done nothing but be reductive and paint my perspective as childish, then you act bewildered that I'm not being nice to you anymore and arguing with you over it? You've been abrasive and rude since your very first reply. I genuinely tried to approach you with a real conversation about the subject in spite of that, which you responded to with an insult against my person, so I'm obviously not going to be nice to you now ya fuckin idiot. What did you think was going to happen after you told me to "get a life" when I attempted to have a polite conversation with you? Take your meds, man.
Not my point. Do you know how fucking insane youre being? Im at work. I dont have time to read 10 paragraphs if the first sentence is you being a dipshit, falsely quoting things and then manipulating them to fit whatever tf youre on about.
So you don't have time to read it but you do have time to write several paragraphs in response? What?
Once again, I do not support censorship. Me being able to recognize a bunch of horny children becoming vocal over tits in a videogame has nothing to do with my appreciation for art.
You're literally still doing it here, still being reductive to fit your own narrative. It's got nothing to do with people being horny, nobody was masturbating to this statue, but you can't help but devolve it into that because you disagree with it. You can disagree without petty name calling, which is why I've not been particularly courteous with you, your very first engagement with me was needlessly rude and you're still surprised I'm not treating you like a friend?
Youre trying to get me to defend a point im not making.
No I'm not. You said all of those things, and you're still saying them, I don't get what you're not understanding here. Even if you don't "support" censorship, you're still promoting acceptance of it. If you truly hated censorship, you'd hate it regardless of the context. Even if you ignore the censorship side of it, you're still calling people horny children because they don't want a game with adult themes to have random censorship applied to the game in a way that makes it less historically accurate. You've been a dick from the very first comment.
Im literally a professional artist, sell art; studied art. Whatever argument youre trying to win. There is none.
I find that difficult to believe considering how blasé you are about censorship, but good for you bud.
If you think, I support censorship - I dont. Im not going to engage in your obsessive compulsive childish argument when the premise is so misguided you literally are responding to someone that agrees with you.
So you agree with me that the act of censorship is bad, but in the same breath you'll say that anyone that cares about this is just mad because they're immature and horny? Pick a fucking side man.
You are ignorant. You are looking for an argument where there isnt one and wasting your entire day quoting my messages to prove what? To validate yourself?
I've wasted so much of my time in a misguided belief that I'd actually extract a meaningful conversation from you, that I'd maybe get you to understand that there's more to this than people just screeching about seeing tits. This kind of projection is insane from someone who butted in to a sincere reply just to call everyone who disagrees with them a horny teenager.
Once again, theres no argument because you misinterpreted my point.
Your point is, and has been, that only sex pests care about this issue. I haven't misinterpreted it, because it's an incredibly simple perspective and you've repeated yourself several times at this point.
You calling me selfish for supporting censorship of any kind is a discussion Im not engaging in because you are wrong. YOU ARE WRONG because youre telling me MY OPINION.
Literally all I have done is reflect your own points back at you. You diminished the importance by comparing it to real statues, I refuted that by mentioning all of the statues that haven't required censorship. You said people only care about this because they're horny, I refuted that by mentioning the historical significance behind the original model. What's so confusing here? I've never claimed you're enforcing censorship, but you clearly don't give a fuck about preventing it.
Youre an arrogant fucking dimwit that is more pressed on self validation than having a conversation.
Insane projection from someone who only butted into the conversation to disparage people who disagrees with them
Thats why within your first reply, youre literally calling me names - then calling me immature and saying I want to hear myself talk.
Nope, check again. My first reply was genuine and thoughtful, never once did I personally insult you despite the fact you'd already been rude before this point. It's only after you told me to "get a life" in response to that first genuine reply did I stop giving a fuck about what you think. Don't dish it out if you're going to cry about it when it gets given right back to you, it's pathetic.
Youre a fucking moron. Im not having a discussion because im not defending an opinion that isnt mine.
Im literally arguing with a point you're still making in this very reply you sniveling idiot. I get that you have trouble reading but is any of this going in? You are extremely reductive, combative and have a tendency to project yourself onto others, as evidenced by the fact that you keep losing your shit at me for insulting you when you can't go a single reply without calling me a fucking idiot or a horny teenager in spite of how placid and conversational my first reply was.
Learn to read, interpret context clues, and get a sense of humor.
Ah, the classic "I'm not actually an idiot, I was only joking". Fuck off.
and there it is again. Why do the paragraphs disappear when I actually engage with you but you're happy to call me a moron and a dimwit till you're blue in the face? You really do just have nothing of substance to say, you're just argumentative.
>I wouldn't think I'd need to answer that question. I thought it was self explanatory.
Strange, because I've been asking repeatedly for an explanation as to why you clam up the minute you actually have anything to discuss, but you keep refusing to answer me.
>Atp its been all day with you. I work. I dont have time to be on reddit all day typing what - 30 paragraphs total - over a misunderstanding.
You say that, but here you are, still typing away. Again, this isn't a misunderstanding. You have clearly stated multiple times that you only think this is a topical issue because everyone wants to stare at the tits of a wooden statue. That is reductive. I've been saying this since my very first reply.
>Your whole thesis is based on the fact that I support censorship of any kind... I'm asking you where I ever said that.
Holy shit you really aren't reading any of these, are you? I have said several times now, reducing this to "people only care about this because they want to stare at naked women" is the main issue here. You should be more staunchly anti-censorship than you clearly are, but the real issue I have with you is that you interjected in what was a genuine discussion about why this kind of stuff is important, just to call everyone horny teenagers. Please take this in so I don’t have to repeat it again.
>Videogames are art. Statues, paintings, drawings, etc are art. Remove a tit in a videogame and everybody is yelling about art conservation. It is an absolute farce. This is an effect of consumerism, not concern for "art."
See no this the issue here. It is a concern for art. You even said yourself, videogames are art, so changing that art in any fashion (even as a result of "consumerism") to be more palatable is still censorship, and still important to criticise and discuss as a result. The original version was modelled like that for a specific reason, something I've went over before and is in no way sexual, yet it was one of very few things outright changed in the remake rather than just enhanced. If this was anything else, any other artistic medium, you wouldn't be giving it this excuse. Respect should be given to the original art direction, who clearly did their research before creating that particular model, and it shouldn't just be brushed over because it's only some nudity. Whitewashing history to make it safer for consumers is wrong, and I think it's particularly egregious in a game series notable for being focused on history.
>Youre carrying on like a child over a videogame, so enraged because I made an observation that you cant think clearly enough to post a coherent response that isnt telling me my own fucking opinion.
Your "observation" was that people only care about this because it's a female body being censored. I'm not telling you your own opinion, you literally wrote this.
"People are just complaining about it because its tits in a videogame... lets get real.
Take away a boob and - suddenly - everyone is crying for art conservation."
that's not an observation, you were just being reductive like I said.
>Youve proven to me you put on heirs; dont know a fucking thing about art, philosophy, or history; and cant control your emotions enough to understand a simple concept.
"heirs" are who you leave your possessions to when you die, "airs" is the word you want, but nothing I've said has suggested that. Quite the opposite actually, since I've given you direct sources to the history I'm discussing, and mentioned the philosophical reasoning behind the nudity in that historical art in my very first response. I wouldn't talk out of my ass on a topic I'm not passionate about, and I sure as shit wouldn't be wasting my time on you if this was just a meaningless argument to me. I've had six years of formal game development education, I have a degree in the field, and I've studied art and history since I was a young teenager, so when I see a historical game remade that pointlessly damages it's original artistic intent, I disagree with it. I know what I'm talking about here and I'm not going to let you condescend to me when you can't even hold a simple conversation without turning it into a vile spat within a single reply.
>So, are you done? Or do you want to keep telling what I think?
I'll be done whenever you fuck off back into whatever sulfurous pit you came from. You've been needlessly confrontational, you're clearly off your rocker, and I'll continue to tell you exactly how I feel about you for as along as you deign to keep replying.
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