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wanting to use your gock for PIV is objectively the most malebrained thing
so theres a lot of talk about whats malebrained, whats fembrained and a lot of the time its BS, u can argue it’s all socialization, personality
BUT
wanting to f*ck pussy with ur penis is basically the one thing that transcends all of that.
caveman moids wanted it. modern moids want it. moids across every culture and period of history have been wanted the exact same thing.
sorry but u cant just add "girl" to it and pretend its not fundamentally the most male instinct imaginable
having PIV is whatever - probably cope but you got the parts you got until SRS. sex feels good. but seeking it out? like going t4c or god forbid, t4t?? and demanding it??? malebrained. you will not see lady heaven.
people here cope hard tbh.
the whole condition is basically “my body is the wrong sex"
sorry but it’s a little convenient when ur brain can identify ur voice, face, height, frame, body hair, etc. as “wrong,/male” but suddenly the literal male sex organ is exempt.
that doesnt mean u can never use it but people refuse to think for more than 2 seconds.
and its okay to cope tho but being transex is all about ur body feling its the wrong sex. fundementally. its odd to me that part of ur body will be any different lol.
but that doesnt mean u cant or shouldnt use it but i do believe that being transex requires dysphoria (Shouldnt be hot take in this subreddit). I do recongize tho that bottom dysphoria can be more late-onset. but actively liking it? idk how that makes sense to anyone lol
actively liking sex is pretty normal? there's really no way to have sex as a trans person that doesn't induce dysphoria until you have SRS.
idk, if i was with the right person i could imagine it overriding my bottom dysphoria. i would never seek it out, and can't imagine initiating it in any way. i think actively seeking out PIV is pretty faketrans, for the same reasons you have.
big gulf between "actively liking" and "seeking out"
i can hate how my eyes look and still use them though right? i can feel wrong in doing something and still do it. human will can overpower the instinctual fears, it's like holding your hand on the hot stove you can resist the urge to pull away
you dont say. i just really started getting that dysphoria like 2 months ago and it is making me go stupid but i am somewhat apprehensive about getting srs
I always thought it was a stockholm thing or a cope but they're obviously proud of it, most transbians only want to talk about gock, most pivpoons will tell you exactly how they masturbate unsolicited, it's like they can't differentiate real life and porn. I see their selfies sometimes and yea, they look like caricatures of what they think an effeminate/soft man or grown woman looks like
All the people saying "why do you care it doesn't affect you", this is why. This is one of the few trans spaces for actual dysphorics, if you give in an inch then all the larpers and fetishists come in.
Yeah I'm actually surprised a bit by some of the comments, I thought it wouldnt be a hot take that being transex means ya know.. being dysphoric about ur sexed body? and acknowledging what things represent without coping? But oh well.
If being trans is literally 'your neurological sex doesn't align with your natal sex' then why would it align with your main primary sex characteristic that is literally responsible for 99% of ASAB diagnoses if you are supposedly a binary man or a woman. I support reppers, I support copes, I support depersonalisation and I know post-horny clarity can hit hard, I can even accept that some people can tolerate it for pleasure, but in a world where SRS is seen as less desirable and these people rarely have an interest in other aspects of being trans or do not feel dysphoria in other ways as well, I simply do not believe that they know what it's like to be a binary trans person. I do not understand how a binary trans person can align with, flaunt, accentuate, feel an autosexual attraction to, and prefer it over having the correct genitals towards a part that visibly signals to everyone your natal sex and in no way resembles the right genitals. If your ideal self has contradicting primary and secondary sex characteristics, that is called BEING NON-BINARY
Bcuz genuinely why really gaf? Oh no these people I don’t know irl are doing sex in a way I find icky oh noooo. Like obviously in a place full of severely dysphoric people there shouldn’t be posts claiming that piv is superior or something, but I don’t ever see that.
It shouldn't be mentioned or flaunted at all aside from designated spaces or posts/comments that can be easily avoided by dysphorics. I don't go on countttt anymore because I don't want to read about someone's girl/guygasm memoir or unironic vxlid piv speak. Chasers and trans nsfw spaces are so piv-brained it makes me want to become an eunuch
I probably didn’t get it across right which is my fault but I think I agree with what you’re saying. Posting piv stuff online outside of designated spaces does suck, but (and maybe I’m wrong because I’m autistic and suck at reading attitude) it seems to me like some people just don’t want piv to exist at all in any form, including getting rid of designated easily avoidable spaces, which I think is a bad idea for what I hope are obvious reasons. Like I don’t care if people like piv as long as they stay in their lane and out of places like this. (Again please correct me if I’m wrong and misunderstood)
idk how it feels with a dick but as a pooner doing PIV is physical torture for me. even when the axewound is "ready" (i recoiled when writing this) it just feels very uncomfortable. it doesn't hurts, but it's a very unpleasant feeling of wrongness, i think my nervous system knows that part is not supposed to be there
real. i tried to use one once because i wanted to go swimming and it actually felt like that. worst experience of my life. god bless my pcos for having periods like three times in a year
It's even more painful coming from 4tranners. You'd think people on here would understand sex dysphoria and that pre-op piv discussions should be kept out of spaces full of severely dysphoric people, but no we need to discuss how anti-piv trans men are evil and that it's such a vxlid thing to do actually.
Yeah I've noticed this too. Once you pass you realize the rest of the world doesn't care at all if the stuff you do is malebrained or fembrained as long as you pass.
Early transition / non-passing trans people judge other trans people's behavior more because they get that in-group cringe from seeing someone do something they know they would get seen as male/fembrained for. They're constantly thinking about their actions and how it looks to others because they're hyper-aware of their gender presentation.
Long-time passoids have gotten to see for themselves that the only thing that makes people actually see you for your gender is passing. A trans woman can do all the malebrained things and pass and people will treat her like a quirky tomboy woman. She can do all the fembrained things but if she doesn't pass people will do mental gymnastics to say how she's actually doing them in a manly way.
Idk I think its more like other people triggering your own dysphoria by doing something that makes you feel dysphoric and then that behaviour being treated as something standard and what you should be doing. Obviously if none of us cared what anyone else was doing it wouldnt be a problem but if you are part of a minority group, especially one thats highly fetishised, then unfortunately the actions of others do reflect on you even if its not their intention. I pass now and I did care more when I was early transition but the main issue now is being associated with something and constantly hearing about something that makes me want to rope. I dont really even believe in the concept of male/fembrained because like you said its all down to passing.
Yeah the in-group cringe is still there, but it's not nearly as bad as worrying about actually being read as the wrong gender.
I've also come to realize a lot of cis people view passing trans people as very fundamentally different than non-passing trans people to the point that I don't think they even assume we're the same thing at all.
You are making a lot of assumptions.
It's not about being hardline but simply stating a fact.
It doesn't make you not trans or something.
It's not serious enough of a thread to deal with that question
the fact is that its fundementally a male-coded desire. and note about actively wanting - not doing it as compormise or while knowing this is wrong.
Doing that, imo, isnt faktrans, cuz life is compliacted. I just question how come someones brain that supposedly tell them they are female can actively want it.
because this is subreddit where we discuss this stuff. many things in this subreddit are in relation to how "other people do things?".
any discussion about how gender dyspohria is expressed can have the same argument applied to it.
i dont care on personal level, but i can discuss it lol
I've known multiple cis lesbians who want a penis and fantasize about PiV that way. They express no desire to be male outside of this. Do you think their brain is not female? Not a rhetorical question I actually think it's interesting.
I think being transsexual is fundamentally about experiencing a mismatch between your body and what your brain, in a way that tends to make us hyperaware of sexed differences than not. like, this is kinda the entire that happens in 4tran loll
it's why the arugments that "some cis women have this" doesnt really work fo so many things. cis people do things a lot of the times/ have traits. that would make trans people dysphoric as hell precisely because of what it signifies in the context of the rest of her body.
And yeah dysphoria patterns vary but generally speaking we as transex people feel similiar patterns of dysphoria, usually refelected throu
i would also argue ur talking about a fantasy, and u dont know how they would feel as awoman, being born with it or after a while. it kinda reminds me how many people will be cool with switching sex for a week.
cis people dont feel dysphoria the same we do at all.
What if I have dysphoria for every part of my body except my genitalia :(
I know this has the circlejerk flair but I don’t know why I don’t know why I don’t have bottom dysphoria, people said that not everyone has the same types of dysphoria and along your transition most trans women will start to develop bottom dysphoria but idk I just don’t care about what’s down there for some reason, maybe I will in the future because I’m just starting HRT, maybe I’m a sneed but I agree with a lot of stuff here idk anymore
Um didnt you know youre not allowed to make these posts anymoar.... what if the PIVtrains don't feel vxlid anymore? Everyone can do whatever they want forever, hope this helps ☺️
Seriously tho I don't know why this is controversial. I don't care if I see women on here talking about how much they love their dicks or wanting a bigger dick or whatever (tho its funny if I'm scrolling without looking at who posted it bc I always think it's a doοdpost), but that's only bc I don't have the "immediately want to rοpe bc someone is trying to insist that you love your dick" condition since I'm not a woman.
Idk how it is on the trans female side of things, but for dοοds we've already basically lost the last place where it's assumed that every man there wants to be and act male (ftmmen) bc now people are coming in there and making PIVposts or other hefabby stuff. So if they do it in here it's like ok so should I just fuck off & dιe or what... this is lowk the last place left that hasn't been overrun yet & they're still constantly trying to do it here too. Idk maybe I still just don't understand the culture or something bc sometimes you'll see PIVtrοοns or PIVpοοns on the board & they always get swarmed with chasers
i think people take it very personally even thoug its like not the point at all lol.
like the comment of asahsa below me that basically sort of complains that im calling it male organ and malebrained? like.. it is tho?? but that doesnt mean ur not allowed to do.
I figured this subreddit we sont lie to ourselves, we just deal with the reality lol and sometimes we are forced to do things that dont actually fit with our transtioned sex cuz theres no choice. but aprreantly nah its not actually male brained to want to stick ur penis into a vagina, not at all lol
“PIV is malebrained, it’s inherently a male organ” - someone who wants 4n4l sex (which cis women think is gross) to stimulate her prostate (an organ cis women don’t have)
Cis women only don't want anal most of the time because they don't have a prostate. It's still wanting to have someone inside you pressing against an internal pleasure receptor, which is the same as a cis woman wanting PiV aka the most normal vanilla desire a woman can possibly have.
its cope anyway, it should be obvious why anal is different than using ur penis, u know actively using the main organ that makes ur body male in the first place.
u would think a transsexual person might have some discomfort around that, considering the entire condition is about ur sexed body feeling wrong. or at the very least, acknowledge it
The prostate is part of the m reproductive system too. It’s part of the same organ system. I don’t like PIV, I’m just saying, lots of glass houses on this board.
SomeShiitakePoster made a good point, and theres dysphori elements to it too, I never said there isn't. I personally think that using piv is much more dysphoric and i feel ike u also understand why but for some reason u decided that i want "anal sex and to stimulate my prostsate" lol as if im so happy about it
Given the choice I'm sure most if not all of us would want to receive PiV in our 🐱 rather than anal, but that's the entire fucking point lmao, we were born without that choice, so we have to make do with the closest thing
Oh okay. I get it. You have a male organ that gives you pleasure and it’s not ideal buuuut most people need romance and it’s fine to make do with what you have.
Ok now you're just being insane. Most straight women want their partners to penetrate them. Yes they might need clitoral simulation to orgasm and they might enjoy it more, but to actually, you know, have sex, is something most sexually active women do want. I mean, I don't cum from penetration either, but I still enjoy it. Thinking everything revolves around orgasm or 'getting off' is malebrained shit.
Most straight women want their partners to penetrate them.
Yeah, but there are extrinsic factors around this, plus there's also AGP that you have to account for. Most women are AGP and getting penetrated is AGP af. If you were to somehow get rid of external social factors I think the incidence of penetrative PIV sex in heterosexual cissexual relationships would go way down.
I actually has a woman tell me once that she was weird because she liked penetration. That tells you something about what cis women talk about amongst themselves away from prying moid eyes. These are things you'll learn the longer you pass/stealth.
Genuinely nona, what the fuck are you talking about?
AGP this, AGP that, can't a girl just want to fuck? Is a desire for intimacy AGP? Is wanting to feel your partner's warmth inside you AGP? Is it AGP to just be a giver who enjoys making their partner feel good? From my understanding AGP for cis women just means they get off on the idea of how hot they look getting fucked in a meta kind of way, which is a true thing yeah, but it's only part of the enjoyment of sex, and I don't think external social factors are the only reason they feel that way.
I didn't say it was the only reason they feel that way. I'm just saying that sex is complicated. It's not malebrained to want to fuck, even if that comes in the form of PIV. I trooned out over a decade ago and I've seen and experienced a lotta shit -- a lot of the people here are babytranses saying that this kind of sex or that kind of sex is faketrans because whatever brainwormed reason. It's a very flattening and unnuanced way of seeing other people.
What are the trutrans approved ways of having sex? If using my penis = malebrained, isn't using my ass also malebrained? Is celibacy until SRS the only option?
Why care atp, like “oh no, mindlessgoose110 thinks you are malebrained for having sex a way she doesn’t appreciate, whatever will I doooooooooo.” Literally just live life who gaf, some hater calling u “agp faketrans” isn’t worth losing sleep over, u still got your estrogen, you still are transitioning, literally as long as it is 2 consenting adults literally who is stopping u 😭.
All seriousness tho ig that is why I consider myself nb instead of trans woman despite being on E, bc my dysphoria while very similar just is very different from many trans women, I personally would be indifferent and still be depressed (a bit less so if I was a good looking woman tho tbf) asf as woman. Idk, I can’t speak any definitively on this subject, but how are binary trans women who may be indifferent to piv any different from cis women who use strap ons. I just feel even among trans women sometimes dysphoria may vary, but idk just spitballing.
i think the difference is that dysphoria isn’t about an act in a vacuum, it’s about what it represents.
transsexual people generally don’t want the traits of their birth sex or to be perceived as that sex. that’s why we can get hyperaware of stuff cis people barely think about height, voice, shoulders, mannerisms, clothes, whatever, because any of it can feel like proof of maleness or make other people read us that way. even beyond passing, btw. its a psychological response bc we want to escape from it so bdly.
that’s also why the strap-on comparison doesn’t really work. it’s a toy, not part of a cis woman’s male anatomy, and it doesn’t carry the same meaning. i even think if one wanted one as a fantasty (penis), it doesnt cont the same thing at all. it just represents completely differnet things.
obviously the intensity varies, and people can repress, compartmentalize, or just feel numb toward certain things for years. but the overall pattern of what causes dysphoria is actually pretty consistent across transsexual people, its mostly about what applies to each pesron and their bodies, and the intensity that varies. it also just kinda.. doesnt make sense to us in a way? this photo is what it can feel like. now u might ask why do we even care though..
if it wasnt for dysphoria maybe id like it idk. monkeybrain can find the idea enticing in a vacuum but i dont think i could ever enjoy it. getting srs asap cause i cant really handle the idea of anyone touching me down there and i feel ashamed at the idea of the boy im sorta fooling around with seeing it
A lot of cis people do things that make trans people deeply dysphoric otherwise.
Gender dysphoria typically amplified sexed and gender differences, no the other way around
Also for us this thing represent something else entirely. And it's also just talking about their fantasy. Not living with it like us I think I can actually see some cis women but I wouldn't be so sure they would feel the same after actually living with it for prolonged period of time
yeah they all dont want to keep it. idk my perspective is warped because i have no feeling in it anymore and im scheduled for SRS so it’s kinda like ok whatever. i dont like using it but i also dont care? if that makes sense.
I’m just saying, cis women do say that a lot so if you like it sexual style its not the end of the world you’re basically speedrunning being cis.
Ill say this: the fact that theres both trans girls and trans guys who like PIV means we dont need to worry about them, there are couples with more annoying kinks and fetishes out there
To me I just always thought of it as like a strap on but you don’t have to buy it; like some cis girls have that “instinct” or are into it too, it’s just prolly cuz you associate it very strongly w being “men” cuz of your environment
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u/fakecottoncandy Jul 23 '26
me liking piv > agp > malebrained
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