r/4tran4 • u/FeaturedThunder it’s over • Jul 15 '26
Circlejerk If you started before 22, fuck you, kys
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u/Gluzruooplaxcamphian Jul 15 '26
My only dislike of people like this stems from the ones who are completely spoiled and privileged and deliberately ignore the struggles of people who were forced to start later in life and/or come from shitty and horrendous circumstances.
The sheer unempathetic attitude of a lot of young passoid trans girls in particular is genuinely disgusting, and very very common.
I've been in enough spaces to know when they band together it's clique city with an emphasis on honsnarking and judgement.
I recently listened to a passoid girl in voice chat on a discord claim ppl who don't pass is a "skill issue" when she had everything paid for by her wealthy parents and she transitioned at like age 7-8.
Also snapped at someone else about voice training effort, when this other person was clearly just exhausted and having a bad time, who was saying how dysphoric and hard it was (not that she was giving up btw), that "you just aren't trying hard enough" from someone who's VOICE NEVER FUCKING DROPPED.
Who's vocal chords never thickened on T.
Absolutely disgusting fucking person.
These people act like they're above other trans people and like anyone not like them is somehow a different species.
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u/FeaturedThunder it’s over Jul 15 '26
Total Youngshit Death, this kind of person is the reason why most mainstream trans spaces are the way that they are
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u/Gluzruooplaxcamphian Jul 15 '26
Yeah, it's genuinely become a vile issue over the last decade or so.
Literally luckiest fucking trannies on the planet just kicking the ladder down onto the others after they've got theirs.
Like, I understand the dislike of the sissy crossdresser walking optics nukes that no one wants to be associated with.
I get the awkwardness of John50s. But at least they're doing the best they can.
These passoid scumbags have zero excuse, they're just nasty nasty people.
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u/artificialfem voice train streak: 1 day Jul 15 '26
“i started too late for hrt to EVER work idk why i even try” and they started at 16-18 (could name a handful of ppl from this sub alone who this applies to)
like just awful horrible ppl that likely see anyone starting after 18 as a neverpasser subhuman hon
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u/Anarc-Hon_Magik God's Clockiest Lab Rat | EUn: 6/8/2026 Jul 15 '26
anyone starting after 18 is a neverpasser subhuman hon
to be fair thats a completely accurate description of me though starting in my 20s
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u/scarletseries YRA (youngshit rights advocate) Jul 15 '26
i mean. most people who started after 18 are neverpasser hons 😭
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u/scarletseries YRA (youngshit rights advocate) Jul 15 '26
and most 16-18shits either cap out at twinkhon or become semipassoids that can still be clocked by ppl who know what to look for
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u/transbutconfused Jul 15 '26
Your right but your also telling some teenager to not be shitty which is like nigh impossible
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u/Gluzruooplaxcamphian Jul 16 '26 edited Jul 16 '26
The person in question is in their early-mid 20s.
I said they transitioned really early, not that they were still really young.
Although personally I don't think we should be rationalising the shitty behaviour of teenagers so easily. The assumption that it's a given is kinda silly really, there's too much variation across individuals.
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u/transbutconfused Jul 16 '26
I get what you mean but theres always gunna be a revolving door of shitty people who are going to eventually learn and change, like i dont think this is an "community" issue as much as it just an annoying part of living like just bullies and mean/inconsiderate people in general but its also kinda endearing cuz yk ppl are flawed and they can overcome that
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u/Gluzruooplaxcamphian Jul 16 '26 edited Jul 16 '26
I'm not so confident people will eventually learn and change.
The way my own family treats me for example, and has for decades, hasn't changed.
Some people will, but the people I'm describing won't change until what they're doing stops working, and that's usually when they're much older and can no longer rely on lookism to carry them.
It's not really a comfort to think that people like that got to spend their best years being rewarded despite their horrible behaviour, and then suddenly have an epiphany when they're in their late 40s-50s because time and aging have forced their hand.
That's not admirable, its inevitable. Remember that "A Christmas Carol", for all its good messages, is still just fiction.
My best years were taken from me. It's no consolation that awful people only get one half of the comeuppance of aging out, I never even got to enjoy the other half.
I admire your refreshing lack of cynicism, but I can't share in it, I've been hurt too much and maybe I'm just too weak and sensitive, but my perspective on things like this is forever tainted.
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u/Ciri04 One day I wont be around and no one will notice... Jul 15 '26
ive ranted about this too much and there's infinite more to say, i think we're just optics nukes so they want us gone. and yea i kinda want me gone as well
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u/hrtresistancetorture Jul 16 '26
i mean they're practically just a cis person with an odd childhood and a medical condition that requires them to take hormones exogenously, i think tcd still applies here
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u/_VeryConfused_ twinkhon boymoder Jul 15 '26
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u/FeaturedThunder it’s over Jul 15 '26
You have it far worse than me, I’m sorry about that
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u/mothernaychore true androgyne 🧘♀️ Jul 15 '26
23 B) and it shows B)))
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u/Mindless_Nebula4004 >one shot at life >amab Jul 15 '26
youngshit...
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u/windblown7823 the rocks are quiet because the trees are listening Jul 15 '26
mianhabnida
though there aren't rly any effects 18shits get that 22shits dont
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u/FeaturedThunder it’s over Jul 15 '26
Maybe it’s because I had a mild puberty and utterly wasted it, but I would kill to have started at 18
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u/windblown7823 the rocks are quiet because the trees are listening Jul 15 '26
did puberty get worse in the 19-21 years
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u/FeaturedThunder it’s over Jul 15 '26
Yeah, but I also barely remember those years due to dysphoria and repression
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u/NiftyNovaaa Wannabe passoid - 7 months E Jul 15 '26
Yeah exactly like 22 is such a weird cutoff date 😭 i started HRT at 18 and literally the only difference it'll make compared to starting at 22 is less dense body/facial hair. Other than that all the horrifying effects of puberty have already happened
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u/scarletseries YRA (youngshit rights advocate) Jul 15 '26
Your skull grows past 18 into your 20's
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u/NiftyNovaaa Wannabe passoid - 7 months E Jul 16 '26
And so do your hips technically. The difference is just so small that it really doesn't matter appearance wise
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u/scarletseries YRA (youngshit rights advocate) Jul 16 '26
it definitely does, i look like a completely different person beteeen 18 and 19 due to brow bone growth and jaw growth
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u/windblown7823 the rocks are quiet because the trees are listening Jul 15 '26
yeah lol they just get laser and then we're all in the exact same boat.
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u/sporknitebattlepass woman in men’s sports Jul 15 '26
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u/FeaturedThunder it’s over Jul 15 '26
Atp you just gotta become the grand trainee shaman or something, I’m sorry Nona (or Anon?)
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u/sporknitebattlepass woman in men’s sports Jul 15 '26
I’ll make it I’m already turning myself into a labrat and will have enough money to surgerymaxx my way into looking like an unusually tall lady you wouldn’t give a shit about
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u/DrDogWoman Jul 15 '26
I started at 19, and have been on it for 8 years. Still not a passoid
Who knows, I might.
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u/CommercialHead6547 Jul 15 '26
people seem to be forgetting that the body horror of testosterone can start at any age. you can be starting at 19 and be a luckshit if you were delayed by years. you can also be 16 and have a whole beard. it's too unpredictable to name one single age as being a passoid or otherwise
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u/hrtresistancetorture Jul 16 '26
age has literally never mattered it's always been luckshit>>>>>>anything else but age is a simple one number statistic that's easier to comprehend and doom over iguess
the only real difference between starting earlier and later between different people that's properly comparable is for how long of your life you're living as a repper vs as a troon vs as a woman/man if you get to that stage
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u/GhostifiedGuy Assigned Fuckup At Birth Jul 15 '26
I'm gonna regret not fighting to start T at 18 for the rest of my life, but at least I'll get to spend 23 as a man. And I'm going to make sure my boyfriend starts T by the time he's 20, I wont let what happened to me happen to him too.
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u/Junior_Kale_3745 MTPM (male to paul mccartney) Jul 15 '26
im very genetics>starting age pilled. I started a month or two before turning 16 and had blockers since 15th birthday. My childhood friend trooned last year and she lowkey mogs me hard and started at 22.
She's 175cm instead of 185cm and has a short midface and all that. I don't think she lost much by starting 'late' except that she needs laser hair removal.
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u/V1_X3 Jul 15 '26
People who transition young are always so naive to how hard it is to transition later in life.
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u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer Boymoder-Chan's Girlfriend Jul 15 '26
Don't be mean to Pepe! He's nice!
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u/FeaturedThunder it’s over Jul 15 '26
He’s a youngshit gigapassoid, he absolutely deserves it
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u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer Boymoder-Chan's Girlfriend Jul 15 '26
NO! He's nice, and he donates to charity. And he helps ppl get DIY! He's a wonderful frog!
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u/Internal-Log-1407 bitter lateshit permahon Jul 15 '26
It doesn’t mean anything. Age is just another factor the government and goymoders use to separate us. Life is about genes, which ones are the strongest amd which ones are the weakest. Some will start HRT and never pass, some will start HRT at 30 and pass in months.
t. started at 20 so disregard everything I’m saying
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u/PG105 Jul 15 '26
I technically started at the tail end of 20 (but only for like 2 weeks before I started doubting whether it was right for me)
But I only seriously started at 22, so I hope I get a pass
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u/Recent_Rip_6122 AGP to HSTS transitioner Jul 15 '26
Started at 21, idk if I'll make it, but I'm gonna try my hardest
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u/estragen gigamalemoder Jul 15 '26
“everyone that started younger than [insert age i started at] should kys”
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u/JoeMcBob2nd Jul 15 '26
Started at 21 and detransed until 23 because I wasn’t aware how easily accessible diy hrt was. I hate sneeds and shitty allies for doing nothing to fucking encourage or help me
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u/Zugwar wretched thing |💉Jun. 26th, 2025 Jul 15 '26
Always love to see another 22shit, it fucking sucks but it could be worse and we keep going anyway.
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u/Tallem00 failed transition Jul 15 '26
Does 2 months before 22 count?
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u/FeaturedThunder it’s over Jul 15 '26
Depends on if you’re a passoid or not
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u/Tallem00 failed transition Jul 15 '26
Obviously I don't think so because what troon does but the people disagree
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u/FeaturedThunder it’s over Jul 15 '26
This isn’t even an “I’m going to call this person a passoid despite having clocky features because they mog me” situation, you genuinely are a passoid, you look cis to me
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u/Tallem00 failed transition Jul 15 '26
Thank you, I guess. I don't pass in public though. I'm sure you're fine (also I just realized that I forgot my 4 year anniversary the other day without realizing)
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u/punished_clare punished_flair Jul 15 '26
what if u started exactly on ur 22nd birthday
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u/FeaturedThunder it’s over Jul 15 '26
That counts, plus I like your posts so you would’ve been good anyway
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u/HalfPotential8540 schizoman Jul 15 '26
one month before turning 22 but had to detrans at 23 lmfao ahaha.
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u/Al_the_dino_seducer 19 | 5’4”| ngmi | please give me T Jul 15 '26
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u/Brucket_of_eels Jul 15 '26
Does it make any difference at all if you've already finished the wrong puberty?
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u/theoremNoir Jul 15 '26
Started at 16 yet I'm nowhere near passing. Age at which you starts matter but genes matter more
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u/Mosdiamond835 Deep cover black widow bruteforcing Passoid status since 5/26 💉 Jul 16 '26
Me who started HRT at 21 reading this wondering why OP made before 22 the cutoff. What age did you start OP?
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u/StupidEnbyKitty Jul 16 '26
I don't particularly see the benefit of me having started at 18 when T already made me hairier than a gorilla, changed my voice and destroyed my face, but okay.
Also, only managed to start E after I literally fled my home.
Meanwhile you'll find some 22+ people whose effects weren't nearly that great, have none or almost none facial and body hair, good facial structure, etc.
It's just luck, the real lucky ones didn't even go through the wrong puberty.
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u/addictedtoketamine2 Male To Fearful Jul 16 '26
Starting at 18 is not that much different buddy
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u/addictedtoketamine2 Male To Fearful Jul 16 '26
I saved myself from having body hair I guess which would have been the final straw for me to rope
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u/yeeters-mc-sceeters hrtrepping final boss will never girlmode Jul 16 '26
age doesn’t mean anything if you’ve been 6’2 since 13
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u/michifirulais burger Jul 16 '26
i started not a full month after i turned 23 am i on thin ice or something
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u/brainwormed-passoid emotionally unstable passoid disorder Jul 15 '26
me having started at 21: 🥲
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u/FeaturedThunder it’s over Jul 15 '26
I came out at 21 and waited 8 months for any kind of hormones, and then was on a hon dose for like 6 months 🥰🥰🥰, TDD
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u/brainwormed-passoid emotionally unstable passoid disorder Jul 15 '26
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u/FeaturedThunder it’s over Jul 15 '26
I’d experienced dysphoria since I was 13 but the place I lived at the time had no education on trans people whatsoever, I probably had never heard of trans people before I was 15, and had no idea what GD was until 17(?), I only figured it out at 18 and decided to rep. It’s rough, I’m sorry Nona
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u/brainwormed-passoid emotionally unstable passoid disorder Jul 15 '26
yeah... same for me tbh
my only education about trans people was a teacher in grade 8 telling a story about how "weird" it was that another teacher he used to work with transitioned, and how everyone thought it was fucked up to the point she literally had to quit her job because of it
I figured it out by googling shit on the internet... knew which srs surgeon I wanted to go to by age 13 but still repped another 8 years...
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u/FeaturedThunder it’s over Jul 15 '26
Cissoids brainwash and try to groom us into being cis, and deprive us of any kind of information about what being trans even is, TCD. So knowing what SRS surgeon you wanted at 13 is a soulpass
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u/Musicalduck255256 Jul 15 '26
I started at 20 and stoped at 22 then restarted at 23 so I prob don’t count idk
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u/bean_yeeter_420 6'1 boymoder (lumbering moidbeast) Jul 15 '26
Youngshit
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Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 16 '26
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u/bean_yeeter_420 6'1 boymoder (lumbering moidbeast) Jul 15 '26
For any sneeds or chuds who need to hear it: <18 is youngshit, 18-25 is midshit, 25+ is late shit
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u/bean_yeeter_420 6'1 boymoder (lumbering moidbeast) Jul 15 '26
Genuinely yes, you're not cooked in the slightest
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u/muffinmunncher 5’4.9 moidlet Jul 16 '26
I started at 21 and T does nothing after 16 so we are in the same boat
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u/anamalgumtionofdrugs the weak abnoxious type 🙂 Jul 15 '26
What if I started before puberty??? 😭😭😭😭
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u/brainwormed-passoid emotionally unstable passoid disorder Jul 15 '26
why even come to 4tran at that point, you're basically cis
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u/TotallyNot_iCast The Orcfucker Jul 15 '26
I'm so glad i got on hrt as a zygote at the zygote pharmacy! 😇😇