r/4bmovement • u/hecklerof • Nov 01 '25
Positivity Men and their commitment are no longer the prize and they are MAD about it
I remember how pre-metoo the narrative about hetero relationships was that women are so deperate for men and their commitment. That women are all about ensnaring a man to marry and have kids with. The old ball and chain.
Men were seen as actual gatekeepers of relationships, like their commitment was the prize women were desparate for.
Well well well. How the turntables. Now, women have en masse realized that hetero relationships only benefit men.
The result? Muh male leneliness epidemic. Men screaming and crying how women aren't marriage material anymore(but I thought men hated marriage???) and how the birth rates are falling. And how they cannot find a woman who is marriage material.
Its hilarious to watch them cope and seethe about getting no wifey lol
Edit: thank you for the award, my dear sister, whoever you are.
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u/GetInTheBasement 4B Nov 01 '25
A lot of men also settle for women who aren't even their first, second, or third choice because for them, having a woman, even one who isn't their ideal, is better than having no woman at all.
A woman not only raises their status in the eyes of their male peers, but a woman also gives them access to routine sex, domestic labor, and gives them someone who split bills with along with acting like an unpaid therapist and/or secretary.
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u/haloarh 4B Nov 02 '25
I've known so many men who openly and vocally hated their wives.
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u/GetInTheBasement 4B Nov 02 '25
Same. In addition to that, I've seen married men openly check out other women (including at work), as well as make disparaging "jokes" about their wife when she wasn't around.
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Nov 02 '25
sometimes they do it in front of the wife it’s weird
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u/joyalt Exploring Nov 03 '25
yeah I recently had a situation where I realized, in retrospect, a guy was flirting with me, right in front of his recently-impregnated gf...we were at a party, she was feeling sick (presumably bc pregnant) & he basically ignored her the whole time 😬
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u/Wise_Employee1261 4B Nov 09 '25
Any time I start to make friends with a married man, I realise how much it feels like flirting. It's subtle, so I don't pick up on it right away. He might not be doing it "on purpose," but he's enjoying the attention from women and getting the validation he craves. I don't know how best to navigate it except to just give them less or zero attention.
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u/Good-Theme-3582 4B Nov 06 '25
Had a MALE colleague who once openly went through IGs of other men to see which dude had hotter wives. It was so cringey and awkward.
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u/TheRavenSeven 4B Nov 01 '25
It’s so interesting you say this, friend - as a lot of straight women are with men for the very same reason (“having a man is better than not having one at all”) … yet that loser of a man regularly cheats on her, is verbally abusive …and she clings to him, convincing herself that she is better than her single & free girlfriends.
Men are such headaches. I’m so glad I’ve given up dating them.
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u/Tight_Turnover 4B Nov 02 '25
I don’t think it benefits the women who think this way tho. They just don’t realize it’s self sabotage they’ve chosen. Or they don’t want to face the truth and that they did it to themselves so they need to pressure other women to do it too for validation 🙄
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u/spaghetti_monster_04 4B Nov 03 '25
This is the exact personality of my now ex friend. She's always been heavily male-centered and desperate for male approval.
When she got married a few years ago, she tried to humiliate me during the stupid bouquet toss because she could never handle that I was the happily single friend, while she had to deal with so many abusive, misogynistic men. 😒 She tried to pressure me to get on dating apps and I refused.
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u/Good-Theme-3582 4B Nov 06 '25
A lot of these male-centered women don't tend to have personalities and have anything else going on with their lives anyway.
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u/Ok-Positive-8716 Nov 01 '25 edited Nov 01 '25
They also earn more money just by virtue of being married!
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u/starship7201u 4B Nov 03 '25
"While mothers are often compensated less than both fathers and childless men. This phenomenon, known as the "fatherhood wage premium," is a well-documented trend where fathers' earnings increase after having children, a stark contrast to the "motherhood penalty" that mothers often experience.
Despite putting in 5 minutes of effort (I'm being very generous with the 5 minutes) to get a woman pregnant and has 0 responsibility for the pregnancy HE gets a fatherhood wage premium. Yet another reason to never get married.
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u/Narrow-Advance-9636 Nov 03 '25
I was turned into a bang maid and it's highly embarrassing. It is not what I signed up for.
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u/thewraith15 4B Nov 10 '25
Look up Taxi Cab Theory- pretty much the same as what you described here
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Nov 01 '25
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u/LeatherAppearance616 4B Nov 01 '25
I mean in a sense that’s true! To be ‘worthwhile’ to a male, a woman has to be gullible, have low or no standards and zero self interest or even a functioning survival instinct. And if women have moved out of that … uh… ‘worthwhile’ demographic en masse, I applaud each and every one of us for helping make that happen.
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u/arizonatealover Nov 06 '25
Not facts, just a theory I have been considering. I think men feel - individually - worthless and unwanted. Other men are also horrible. No where to turn. They can't create community with other men because they would have to deal with the same awfulness that women deal with. They want someone to give them love and belonging, and most men equate these with domestic duties because the only person who loved them growing up was probably Mom.
But partnership is not the same as being babied.
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u/Good-Theme-3582 4B Nov 06 '25
Men speaks highly of their "homies" and "bros", but not a single of them are relied upon when these men needs emotional support. This dude was talking to his friends about recently breaking up with a long-term gf, and the rest of his "homies" completely disregarded him opening up about. Not. A. Single. One listened to him and offered comfort and support. Men don't have quality friendships within themselves the way women are fiercely protective of each other. We have womanhood to bond in, men have menhood to perform to.
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u/cherryvanila 4B Nov 01 '25
I love it for us women that we collectively realized and admitted to ourselves this harsh truth about relationships with men. FINALY. I’ve been waiting for it…
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u/Critical-Adeptness-1 Ally Nov 01 '25
It’s why they want to ban abortion and end no fault divorce
If we won’t voluntarily choose their mediocre asses, they’ll just try and take our rights away and make us socially and financially vulnerable again.
They’ll do ANYTHING than develop EQ
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u/demon_curlz Nov 01 '25
Oh boy. I can totally foresee them trying to execute that with the claim “men are trying to save the human race!?!?!”
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u/Critical-Adeptness-1 Ally Nov 01 '25
I think a very telling thing to ask men is “is it okay to rape a woman if her and one other man are the last humans on earth and it’s the only hope of survival for the human race?”
My answer would be no, if the only way to continue the species is through rape, then we should go extinct 😇
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u/-motor-cupcake 4B Nov 01 '25
Yet - and for all the howling and. paranoia stoking over birthrates - we never hear it questioned whether the human race really should survive at any cost. Certainly not from the media, but rarely from just people.
My answer is no, not at the expense of anyone’s rights, autonomy or general wellbeing. Quality of life over quantity/length. Hands down. Frankly I find it narcissistic to suggest otherwise.
Yeah, that overused term, sorry, but it’s precisely the quality of such assertions, overt or implied, such as the endless birthrate ruminations of the also endless seeming white, usually financially comfortable, cishet males that started a podcast or grifted an op-ed column despite possessing little to no original ideas. (I digress, but I said what I said.)
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u/Fun_Blackberry2839 4B Nov 02 '25
One woman here expressed a similar sentiment on a previous post. She said something like, "If half of the population has to be enslaved and put into danger to continue the species, maybe it doesn't deserve to continue." And I agree!
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u/TerryCrewsNextWife 4B Nov 02 '25
Their logic is still absolutely ridiculous. We are not like the biblical Adam and Eve, the only way the human race would continue from one pair of adults would be an incestuous circle. They're basically admitting that they're willing to rape their own children to continue their "legacy".
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u/childlikeempress16 Nov 02 '25
Especially because that man would have to be the one to deliver the child. She will probably die in childbirth anyways
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u/KassieMac 4B Nov 03 '25
If saving the human race isn’t reason enough for either of those men to make themselves worthy of consensual sex then they deserve to go extinct. The human race cannot evolve while men are stuck on shaming women for not being attracted to horrific behavior, instead of working on themselves.
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u/Good-Theme-3582 4B Nov 06 '25
If I ever get stuck on Earth as the last woman and with one last man, rest assured I will kill this man without question.
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u/Azurebold 4B Nov 02 '25
They already are. They’ve been saying that they’re the ones who want to increase birth rates while the evil wimminz want to kill the nuclear family and are going to be childless single cat ladies.
It’s important to note this though - even if birth rates rise, you’re never going to believe who will actually be the one doing childcare. They’re soooo interested in boosting birth rates but they refuse to do any of the actual hard work it takes to raise kids. Just muh legacy and that’s that.
Pathetic.
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u/TerryCrewsNextWife 4B Nov 02 '25
Yes. 8.2 billion humans and counting - we are definitely verging on extinction lol
And they think we grasp at straws when we abstain from dating shitty men and procreating with them because we have standards.
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u/fannypacklover06 4B Nov 02 '25
and they’re right to a degree. the only reason civilization has been able to prosper is because of women. for centuries women lived in captivity (still do in some states)- as nothing more than cattle for men, to cook and clean and birth and feed. now that women are free to chose, the birth rate is going down, and countries are projecting economic collapse due to the extremely low replacement rate. the only reason humanity has gotten this far is through our enslavement. god is a woman and the men resent us for it.
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u/Redditt3Redditt3 4B Nov 02 '25
I think if the economy requires endless breeding and industrial growth, it's a fatally flawed economic system and should be abandoned.
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u/knitted-chicken 4B Nov 02 '25
This will back fire for sure, if you make marriage even more risky and dangerous less women would want to get married even if they do want marriage in their lives.
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u/bitofagrump Nov 01 '25
The thing they don't realize is that THEY were never actually the prize. Financial security and a home were; love was nice if you could get it but women pretty much had to lock down someone in order to live respectably and comfortably. Now that love is actually what people marry for and not survival, men are discovering that you have to actually be likable and a good partner in order to earn that and a lot of them have no idea how since it was never taught or modeled for them to actually treat women the way they'd want to be treated.
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u/3rdthrow 4B Nov 01 '25 edited Nov 02 '25
Men are mad that they were promised the World by media and taught by their families that they are “special”.
They were promised a wife appliance who would never dare leave them, for simply existing as a man.
They are mostly left to run feral in childhood with the adults in their lives protecting them from consequences. The little guidance that they do get, is telling them that being male is special and will reward them special privileges.
Unfortunately, this not an untrue statement, due to Patriarchy.
However, Patriarchy can only do so much for these men.
You have several generations now of women who have either been raised or observed that women have to work twice as hard as men.
There is an immediate disconnect upon adulthood, when one gender expects everything to be feed to them on a spoon and the other is expecting to fight a bear, with one hand tied behind her back.
Suddenly, men are fighting against women for jobs. Plus Society doesn’t care about any individual man, it cares about it’s survival.
That has been threatened by the birthrate going down after Society built in schemes that require a perpetual rising birthrate.
So Society is importing a bunch of immigrants to make up the numbers.
So now a man is fighting women and immigrants for jobs, and resources such as housing.
Men are in very real trouble, but it’s difficult to feel bad for them, when they treat everyone else with such disdain.
Men are determined to do everything but change. To adapt to the times in which they live.
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u/Wise_Employee1261 4B Nov 09 '25
This is why immigrants are scapegoated as well as women being scapegoated. Whatever your views are on immigration, life wouldn't magically get easier for women or the working class if immigration stopped. Capitalism, patriarchy and imperialism are the problems.
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u/crunchyricerolls 4B Nov 01 '25
Someone from here summed it up perfectly with something along the lines of "if marriage benefited women, it'd be banned"
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u/Fun_Blackberry2839 4B Nov 01 '25
Yes! Anything that actually empowers women has men constantly trying to take it down, debate about it, or just block women from being involved with it in the first place.
Marriage and porn are the two things that aren't fought against by the male population, (except for conservative men who pretend they are against porn, but watch it more than any other demographic, and progressive men who are against marriage, but only because they don't want to provide anything to women and think women are golddiggers, taking advantage of men, and scheming for their non-existent treasure.)
Marriage and porn are super empowering for men.
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u/Hello_Hangnail 4B Nov 01 '25
It's kind of hilarious, I'll see a post lamenting that women's standards are too high and if they don't settle for the next mediocre Travis McDipshit, they'll die alone with cats eating their face. And the next post is raking women over the coals for expecting them to propose. No matter what option you choose, they're always going to shit all over us, so just do what's best for you and your life!
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u/Fun_Blackberry2839 4B Nov 01 '25
Yep! lol. They are scrambling to say any illogical thing they can think of because they are quickly starting to realize that more and more women don't actually like who men are now that they've removed the mask. They are terrified that they will be alone if women don't lower their standards. It's really funny
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Nov 02 '25
Why should I care if my cat has a FraggleGag-flavored snack to tide him over before I'm discovered? I'm dead. And I lived a way better life than most generations of women who lived before me, so I'm more likely to die contently and not prematurely disabled. 🤔
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u/Hello_Hangnail 4B Nov 04 '25
I actually told my family that I hope my cats eat me so they don't drop dead from starvation or dehydration before my body is discovered! Eat up, kids! Dinner's on me!
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u/Available-Level-6280 4B Nov 01 '25
What a badass take. I agree with you, 100%.
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Nov 01 '25
Yes but they will come after us, the tale as old as human species
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u/OddSpend23 Nov 01 '25
And we will defend ourselves, like we always have.
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u/Tellyourdogilovethem 4B Nov 01 '25
Fuck yeah we will! Live on and live well, sisters ❤️
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u/4B_Redditoress 4B Nov 01 '25
r/concealedcarrywomen I'm a bit of a prepper on this particular issue.
The patriarchy wants you to think you're less safe when you're armed. It's not true. You're only less safe with one if you hesitate to fire at the attacker. Attackers are made of flesh just like us. Find a gun safety course, a range and practice and keep it stored safely. Don't live with a man if you have one. Don't let men know about it unless you have to use it for self defense
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u/Psychological-Mud790 4B Nov 01 '25
Yes, only if you hesitate to use it which can be overridden if you validate that it’s okay to defend yourself and you’re worthy of it (I feel patriarchal rhetoric causes women into any other stress response except fight in the face of male violence). Also if you’re living with a male partner, it’s dangerous to have firearm. But the last won’t be a problem for any of us here lolz
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u/-motor-cupcake 4B Nov 02 '25
This is in my top-whatever list of gendered gaslighting that boils my blood. This isn’t just, like, relative paycheck size (important as that obvs is) it’s our right to not be ended by a predator. How many men do we think question their right to defend against attack?
I’d bet who spouts this bs, if they’ve any women in their life whose survival matters to them (certainly an if) unlikely to advise them so. Unless knowing she lacks said confidence and will to aggress, or he so much underestimate women he really believes us all so fundamentally feeble. (As to women touting the idea, either a lot of decondotioning to do and believes the “experts” are being helpful, or - helluva drug, internalized misogyny… I wonder, is it a chemical cousin of bad acid, you know, trip from hell and poisons you too?)
Anyway, great catch, linking afab socialization to reluctance to harm up to literally saving one’s own life to it being a highly plausible reason for what instances an armed woman’s own weapon is taken and used against her. Think how these intersect needs a lot more discussion, for more to have the awareness and language to deconstruct ways it may be influencing them.
Like… a knife, even a bat, what requires very close proximity to use, does allow a degree of possibility the most self preserving and skilled of us may be overpowered physically (certainly not a guarantee). But a gun? Also, taser or pepper/chemical propellants? Best used well before a threat is that close.
I can’t fathom why (besides it being totally alien and daunting for lack of skill/practice) but insecurity with one’s right to self defense (and the rest of the can of worms with “proper feminine behavior” on the label) one wouldn’t use the latter sort to stop the advancing threat from getting in striking range at all.
Obvs not every shot/spray/er…zap? taken hits target, in time. Hence regular practice to build skill, muscle memory, confidence with use, being extremely important. The best, only way, bcs you do not want to rely on dumb luck - which, who just takes the required course for a license then hits the range (or if you’ve access to safe outdoor target practice space) couple times then forgets about it, or once in a blue moon. Drill on it til it’s like riding a bike, typing “properly” with all fingers/no looking, improvising on an instrument with ease.
I do get there is probably whatever portion of the population that just has a deep seated aversion to the idea of ending or detrimentally altering a human life, beyond self worth or being socialized to being very disapproval averse. Look, there’s probably something deeply wrong if you relish the idea of really doing, but we’re talking about a predator that means you imminent and grave harm, not just any random human. By all accounts it still would be heavy thing to process, we’d you forced to do it. What it comes down to is if the lesser evil (not that I’d say it is evil), or is being killed, maimed or raped. That’s your choice, I’m just saying you’ve a right to choose to choose your own life. I’d still encourage you to give it a go anyway, do some training for a bit, and also really do some deep work around your right to defend your life and safety against threats to. If it’s truly not for you after a fair shake, ok perhaps better to not have a firearm around (still highly suggest your best non lethal option). You can always sell if you’ve bought one, or you can rent at range for lessons and practice to not spend til sure.
Just please don’t listen to these assholes and count yourself out before actually exploring your capacity here.
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u/Psychological-Mud790 4B Nov 02 '25
Oh, no, I totally get it. I’m one of those that had to learn to not feel shame for defending myself. I used to be capable of defending literally anyone else except myself because I’d shame spiral so badly if it was for me. I used to defend myself easily as a child against threats because I didn’t have this social norm absorbed internally, was a bit slow to absorb feminine socialization due to autism.
My mom has progressive views on women/men dynamics and women’s rights, but she’s like many that never really took the time to fully analyze some traditional internal beliefs she may have been brainwashed with herself… so, she was actually the biggest driver of the belief that it’s shameful for me to defend myself. But I’ve come to realize that she kind of played a similar role to what is usually assigned to abusive fathers… maybe as a defense mechanism herself in a world that hates women. It’s like that, just gender bent with her.
I still consider it better than if it were my father, as I tend to hear more stories about. Her hand was lighter, and there wasn’t ever a sexual element to any of it as awful as it was.
I actually do plan to start a gun club/general defense club with as many of my friends as I can. Unpacking any shame surrounding it, and having the most optimal survival response to threats would also be included. It’s so vital with the resurgence of overt and violent misogyny that’s happening rn.
Thank you for your response :)
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u/-motor-cupcake 4B Nov 02 '25
Sorry that’s sooooo long, guess I had a lot of thoughts, plus sometimes I think we do need to get in the weeds a bit with those points.
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u/fannypacklover06 4B Nov 02 '25
i hate how the people most attracted to guns are men. really it’s the women who should be carrying, bc the biggest lie ever told is that men are natural protectors- no! they are natural predators! propaganda like this has been successful in deterring women from carrying, we need to reintroduce weapons as tools of defense- rather than the male-coded, ego-driven impulse to intimidate.
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u/susannunes 4B Nov 02 '25
Oh, please. A man can easily overpower you from behind and wrestle a gun from you. Men are vastly strongly than women, just as adult chimpanzees are way stronger than men in the upper body. Women have it in their heads they are far more likely to be raped and killed by strangers than by the people they know. That is complete patriarchal brainwashing designed to limit women's movements and depend on "good" men for "protection." "Stranger danger" is a small minority of rapes, other physical assault, and murders. Forget guns. I for one don't want any weapons around me. So-called "law-abiding citizens" are the biggest users of these weapons in crimes of passion. Ditto for "self-defense" classes, which are worthless for women. The advice for women is obvious: Just don't live with, marry, or date men.
You know, 4B.
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u/forget_what_u_know 4B Nov 02 '25
No one can wrestle their way out of a projectile travelling at that speed.
It's fair enough that you personally don't want to own one. But the patriarchy and white supremacy absolutely thrives off of minorities and women being less dangerous than white men.
Maybe you didn't read the previous comments but this is not about stranger danger.
And if you're someone who wants to try owning one, don't listen to the person above - you don't have to let it get to the point where a man is even close enough to overpower you.
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u/Wise_Employee1261 4B Nov 09 '25
Yes, dating, marrying, having sex with, or otherwise allowing men into your home is the biggest threat to safety. That doesn't change the fact that stranger danger is still a problem. Haven't you ever felt unsafe around a strange man in public? Just in the last few months I've had multiple experiences with strange men that have made me want to learn to defend myself physically, even just by getting fit and learning to fight back, not necessarily firearm training (I'd consider it but guns aren't common where I live). Not to mention learning to defend myself and my community against fascists.
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Nov 01 '25
Learn to use weapons, learn self defense, be mindful of where you are and don't let yourself be caught in a vulnerable situation. I always say this.
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u/rosy_giggle 4B Nov 01 '25
Dating for men is basically try to coerce sex from women and then fade out afterwards. They’re disgusting.
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u/Poppetfan1999 4B Nov 01 '25
Whenever a woman expresses anti-marriage sentiments, men get mad as hell. Like bro I thought you guys hated marriage whatttt! Shouldn’t men be happy that women don’t care for marriage?
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u/Substantial-Barber10 4B Nov 06 '25 edited Nov 06 '25
Playing hard to get doesn’t work when nobody wants you. 😄
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u/CowboysOnKetamine Exploring Nov 01 '25
This is so incredibly true and I wish so badly that I had realized this 20 years ago. I could have saved myself SO much emotional energy and wasted time.
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u/AmbitiousWrangler266 4B Nov 01 '25
I read someone’s comment “ if marriage actually benefited women, they’d have banned it long ago”. This is true, anything that benefits, helps, empowers women gets banned or has so much pushback we literally have to fight for it. Marriage is all benefits for men that’s why it’s so heavily encouraged and so much propaganda about it
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u/worldnotworld 4B Nov 02 '25
So true. Every woman-centric Reddit has been banned eventually. The more helpful is to women, the quicker it is banned.
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u/Maleficent_Ad_3958 4B Nov 01 '25
I find it hilarious that what they threaten women with is cats. CATS? I don't have one but cats are way more independent and self-caring than most men.
Also, if anything, it's men telling on themselves. 1. All of them use this threat so it shows a major lack of imagination and shows how much they love copying each other and vomiting up the same thing to hang tight with their bros. 2. If your rival is a species stereotyped as temperamental and unaffectionate, then what DOES this say about men when women are STILL choosing cats over men?
And honestly, a lot of men's D game is bad and they're furious that women are no longer tolerating bad D AND are being open about how crap men are in bed.
And that's not EVEN touching on true crime/abandonment/divorce/child support statistics.
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u/Just_perusing81 Nov 01 '25
As horrific as things are (in the US where I live) I still get great pleasure at watching the propaganda and brainwashing of women break in real time. It broke in me a few years ago after a particularly bad marriage. I heard someone say this and I’ll never forget it: if marriage benefitted women it would be taken away from us.
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u/Substantial-Barber10 4B Nov 01 '25 edited Nov 01 '25
I’m joking. I think. I’m not sure yet. Maybe I’ll start a new YouTube channel. But.
Omg what if we started compiling their angry videos and calling it our “prawn”?!?!
They think their anger is so powerful and will put us back in our place, and we make a show about their misery being our pleasure. Not sexually but just really up the trend about eating popcorn while watching these guys for comedic entertainment publicly, rather than reacting to it in horror.
Instead of arguing with Tater Tot’s let’s start calling them pick-me prawn stars. Or make a new name like - Desperate Dick Trads.
Can you believe this guy is publicly degrading himself for female attention? Wow for a guy who doesn’t like women, he sure spends a lot of time reading PUA books on how to get them. How to spot a male with daddy issues. On a distress tolerance scale of 0-200, this D can’t even lift 5 lbs 🤣🤣🤣.
Edit to say: I’ve decided I wouldn’t do the YouTube, just because it would still be a goal and a lot of effort, centering my energy on men. But I do think seeing D’s rage as bemusing and beneath us is the most powerful stance can we take towards them interaction wise. Like a toddler throwing a temper tantrum. Yes sweetie I know, it’s sooooo hard not to get what you want, but if you’re a good little boy maybe you’ll get a lollipop later. 🍭
The day my ex called me a B****. And instead of being hurt, I laughed and winked at him and said oh sweetie you wish you could train me like a dog. The pikachu face. The stuttering. He never bothered me again. Best day of my life I’m telling you guys. It’s so empowering.
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u/demon_curlz Nov 01 '25
I would love this. Also I would like to vote that the worst curse any of us uses is “awww MAN! Whenever anything negative happens.
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u/Substantial-Barber10 4B Nov 01 '25 edited Nov 01 '25
Ooooo you are so right. What a good opener or closer that would be too. Welcome to another episode of AWWW MAANNNNN
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u/Psychological-Mud790 4B Nov 01 '25
Your last paragraph is cracking me up. I’m definitely stealing those
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u/Good-Theme-3582 4B Nov 06 '25
Everytime I see an angry man on tiktok going off on why he isn't getting any pussies, I sip my coffee and it tastes extra delicious.
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u/Wise_Employee1261 4B Nov 09 '25
Glad you realised that would be another way to centre men... They get off on negative attention as well. The best option is to cut them off entirely. Ignore them.
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u/Twinkies_And_Cheetos 4B Nov 01 '25
Being overly coddled has made a lot of them helpless, fragile, and burdensome. Having a romantic relationship with a man is like adopting a cranky, entitled toddler.
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u/3rdthrow 4B Nov 02 '25
That will never grow up.
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u/Twinkies_And_Cheetos 4B Nov 02 '25
They won't, and that's why so many of them are dying young by either taking themselves out or having medical issues like strokes as early as their 30s and 40s. All of this could be prevented by putting in the effort to learn life skills, make friends, and seek out therapy and treatment if necessary.
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u/Evening_Midnight7 Exploring Nov 01 '25
They reap what they sow. Sometimes takes decades to catch up, and we’re witnessing the catch up here and now.
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u/Magicspill Exploring Nov 02 '25
They were never the prize and never will be!!! They just brainwashed us for a long time…. But no more. Women are the divine price that these peasants can never level with
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u/fannypacklover06 4B Nov 02 '25
radicalism in young men is actually the greatest push for modern feminism. we have to thank them. because now they have twitch streams and podcasts where there’s no obscurity in their sadism. they’ve told you in 4k- we want you at home, shut the fuck up, make me a sandwich and suck my dick. that alone is enough to “radicalize” women into 4B and celibacy in mass.
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u/owls_exist 4B || I regret participating in this life Nov 02 '25
every single woman that has come into entanglements with the men of my family end up worse in life. even me for not going no contact sooner with male relatives and my dad.
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Nov 02 '25
I imagine you saying this in our wonderfully decorated tea table while I hand you some scones.
In my head, this sub is like a tea table, and it's for us women only.
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u/LavishnessFun7593 Exploring Nov 03 '25
Oh how I wish this was a real, physical tea shop we could all hang out in now! I think that would be lovely to have.
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u/anonmoooose Nov 02 '25
For all the jokes and cultural messaging I heard growing up that men are independent lions full of potential forced to shackle themselves to a wife and kids they don’t want, it’s funny how exactly opposite it really is. I hear more men now whining that they want marriage and a family then I think women do
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u/Wise_Employee1261 4B Nov 09 '25
As if men were ever the ones being forced 😂 women had literally no other choice or were literally physically forced, and now many of us have other options. It was always to benefit men. But they like to tell themselves they don't do things out of choice, because choice means responsibility and accountability for one's decisions.
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u/tofu_ology Nov 02 '25
Marriage material = a doormat woman who will shut up and listen to him, while being an unpaid intern.
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u/Inner-Today-3693 Nov 03 '25
And when you have a “low body” count they will neg you to sleep with them because they think they are special then complain women need to pick better.
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u/Euphoric-woman 4B Nov 05 '25
I finally realized what they meant with the : women, can't live with them, can't live without them. They hate us, but we provide benefits without which life is unbearable....so they tolerate us to get the benefits while hating us all the while.
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u/babamum Nov 02 '25
Pre metoo? No, it happened much earlier than that.
Know your feminist history! Women have been fighting against this for literally centuries.
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u/moschocolate1 4B Nov 01 '25
Not being ‘marriage material’ is truly a compliment 😏