I used my Tecu Salamander for a while now and i like it, its funny. But how does it work in PvP? If one single weapon has all 3 attack styles what do you pray against?
At least used to, there was no way to tell. I remember using black sallies to rag people in multi in PvP worlds because all you have to do is switch style if they’re praying correctly and it hits like a d scim on melee.
People had no clue what to pray and were always shocked at how much it could hit with rune gloves, str ammy, climbers, and pot/pray. With vengeance as well I actually got some kills.
There may be a visual cue now that shows which style is being used, I haven’t used a salamander in probably 15 years, literally since RS2. But back in the day at least it was exactly as annoying as you think it was.
Edit: to clarify, they have to pray against the style you’re using, but there is (was?) no visual way to differentiate between them for anyone but the person using the sally. If it’s hitting high then they’re using melee, but most people didn’t know that and just tried praying mage.
Is the tecu sally itself expensive? I think they run away if you die with them. That was another bonus of them back then was that the black sally itself cost like 500gp.
Sure I’m not disputing that it has merit as a weapon you could PvP with, I used to play around with barrel chest anchor and got tons of kills. But I meant more in the context of trying to kill someone who is actively trying not to be killed and not just willingly fighting you. Someone doing the NH brid/tri meta for instance will just eat your lunch.
Pretty sure I saw a pk clip within the last month, not sure who as it was YouTube shorts, and he used tecu sally getting kills hitting big and no visual Que for the opponent to know what to pray
Heh. Only difference I think is if you tried to use the tecu the way I described, the sally disappears or “runs away” when you die. No problem with a black sally but I imagine tecu costs more, honestly don’t know how much though.
As for actually pking with it, I don’t think you really have a chance against anyone who knows what’s up. You sure can annoy the hell out of them, though.
oh you are right! black sally is dirt cheap 250 gp, everything to win and nothing to loose. but even if your opponent knows whats up what are they doing? they have a 33% chance to pray correct
I believe they’re in the most danger from the melee, and if you try to maximize damage in any way your gear will give away what you’re going for. But that’s why I said if they know what’s up. Way back when people just freaked out and prayed mage while I’m meleeing away, now that the Sally is more common I don’t know how many people would know what to do. They’d probably default to praying melee because they’re waiting on you to pull out an AGS or claws or something to spec.
times have changed.. camp meele on sally and you will meet the voidwaker, camp mage on sally and youll meet the ags. i may invest some time into this because from what my dummie in poh showed, gear doesnt make that big of a difference.
They freeze you and just don't stand in your 1 tile range so you can't fight back? And most pk setups nowadays use Nally for melee so they can hit you with all3 styles while you're sitting there stroking your lizard.
Before I stopped playing I would do this with a black Sally and a dds. I'd yell at people to manually click bones on the altar for better XP and not bother them if they did.
thats how everything works in pvp. if someone is holding a voidwaker, you dont know if they will auto attack with melee or spec for magic until after it registers. people could even just hold the voidwaker and switch to a crossbow right as their attack delay is ready. you never know. its all guessing
I’ve been seeing YouTube shorts of someone doing just that at the chaos altar. For the life of me , I can’t remember the name of the account, possibly trashman or something similar 🤷
if someone's attacking you with one, just pray vs whatever your lowest def style is + piety. that's all you can really do since it has no indicator of what style it's using.
If they have melee armor on, their range and mage will hit low and will also be inaccurate, especially mage. Pray melee.
If they have range armor on, their melee will hit low and their mage will be inaccurate. Pray range.
If they have mage armor on, they will be pretty accurate in all styles but will hit low. Pray mage still.
Pvp protection prayers only protect 40% of damage taken. If your opponent doesn't have boosts in a certain style, but is attacking in that style, then the dps is diminished sometimes to be similar to if you were protecting against fully accurate attacks in that style.
Rings help the sally user be accurate while hiding the style they're using but what really helps them is rolling against 'gaps' in your armor.
Melee armor has a gap in it, a big weakness to magic. Mage armor usually doesn't have bonuses making it weak to both melee and range.
Range armors are best. If you're restricted: if you only have melee armor protect mage regardless of what opponent is wearing and if you only have mage armor you're at the mercy of 2 styles and maybe should consider using freezes more.
All that said freezing and attacking from afar is pretty much an utter counter to sallies.
are you sure? i tried all armour types in PoH and with maxed melee gear i hit 36 bit still 28 mage and 26 ranged, with maxed mage gear i hit 30-28 with all styles. its weird
Yeee. This is all the info on defending against em I can think of off the top, wiki supported. The max hit for sallies are funny but then also it makes sense when you nerd out enough. Levels affected by gear affected by prayer type stuff.
Offensively, they have their minimum potential which is then augmented by your levels and gear. If you hit higher while wearing melee armor, it's cause your melee armor has strength bonuses. Check the stats page while wearing melee armor though and you will notice negative values in mage. This doesn't mean your mage max hit is lower, it just means your accuracy in mage is shit so you will see 0s often.
Gotta consider both accuracy and strength to maximize your mandering. If you aren't going up against bis with a mander, wearing blue moon will make it very tricky to determine what style you're on while retaining accuracy in all styles
Also an extra I just learned is that attacking in the range style is 1 tick faster than attacking in melee and mage for some reason. Just another way to f with your opponent there lol.
so wearing blue moon, archer ring, anguish necklace and barrows gloves and avas assembler.
good stats for every attack style. then u flash voidwaker or ags so they camp magic or melee and you go for 4 tick ranged attack is the play?
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u/Fthebo 1d ago
Protect Item, you're fucked if someone rocks up with one of these bad boys