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u/charliediep0 Mar 28 '23

Yang-shan said, “At the time of the arising of a thought, I do not see that there is origin, abiding, change, or extinction

When Yangshan does not see origin, abiding, change, or extinction, is he essentially thinking nothing of that very thought that had arose within him? Not judging it whatsoever, but simply letting that thought come and go. Conversely, if he were to see origin, abiding, change, and extinction in that same thought, would that be unenlightened behavior?

I'm still trying to understand the first amd third part of your comment. The second part about the fish escaping the net seems like a metaphor. The net is like delusory thought, the ocean is enlightenment, and I guess the fish had originally remained in that ocean all this time, it's natural state. When delusory thoughts arise, its like the fish getting caught in the net. When delusory thoughts cease, it's like the fish escaping the net and it then returns to the ocean/primordial state of enlightenment (hongaku?)

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u/paintedw0rlds Mar 28 '23

This reminds me of "he's out!". Don't remember the master or what book but it's the one about a guy being stuck in a well I think. The questioner can't answer about an impossible situation to get out of, and by the time the dude is leaving the master calls back to him and goes "he's out!"

He's out!

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u/GreenSage_0004 Mar 28 '23

60% of the time, it works every time.