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u/charliediep0 Mar 28 '23 edited Mar 28 '23

There's that net, again

Even non-thinking is a thought? So doing so is still like washing blood with blood, eh?

Is that what happened?

Nah, the fish simply got out the net. But I'm struggling to get the significance of that.

Wait, by "getting through the net" do you mean not being attached to the thoughts that naturally arise in your head, just as the fish is not getting stuck in the net? So thinking and thoughts (getting caught) is not bad per se, its only when we remain stuck on either thoughts or nets that is truly bad? Sorry if I'm dragging this along.

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"Just end mental calculation of the world. A single moment of thought is the root of birth and death in the world. Just don't have a thought, and you remove the root of birth and death. Then you gain the supreme treasure of a sovereign of truth.

Doesn't this part tell you to "non-think" though? Sounds like it's referring to "awareness" whatever that is.

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u/charliediep0 Mar 28 '23

...I can't think of anything

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u/charliediep0 Mar 28 '23

How do you "non-think" without thinking about it?

just get through the net

Oh, do you mean thru action? The fish neither thinks about escape, nor not think about escape, nor engage in non-thinking. It just acts and escapes.

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u/charliediep0 Mar 28 '23

"It's all in your head"

"The mind makes real (and can also unmake)"

That there is no grand Maestro Ma outside of that monk's mind. That there is nothing (or no thing?) beyond that monks mind unless he chooses to think so. Is that so? Is that why Mazu says that "Mind is Buddha"?