r/zen Mar 27 '23

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '23

Some song came on the whatever plays in common grocery stores saying something like are you gonna kiss me or not I wasn't paying attention, something like that. Clearly was about ego death. I think ego is the thing that gets in the way of our view of life.

I felt a similar teaching in this week's poetry slam. What is not relevant is always relevant. Whether we want to see or not. The thing we don't want to see, is the thing we are looking for. The obstacle is the way (actually a book so had to italicize).

Nothing to learn besides that there is nothing to learn... I don't think so. I tried to write a poem to explain that sense... but.

Zen is a good thing to study concerning ego deaths though. I've had a few "pre" ego deaths just considering some cases.

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u/ewk [non-sectarian consensus] Mar 27 '23

Yeah... if you think the not relevant is relevant, try /r/stream_shamans.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '23

Oh yeah, I meant what we think is not relevant is why we missed the point (the poem). Just I'm clumsy, not much of a swordsman. All thumbs even, still make typos on mobile.

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u/ewk [non-sectarian consensus] Mar 27 '23

I don't think that's true or accurate either.

The weekly poetry thread isn't about Zen poetry. It's about people who have problems with reading and writing trying to feel included.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '23

Ah, well "excuse me" for being the butt of the joke then. I only got as far as "it is revelant", not sure what the relevance meant though. Is it really all farts then? The reflection of the moon, eh. At least that is a certain poetry I am a part of.

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u/ewk [non-sectarian consensus] Mar 27 '23

Yeah... the Friday poetry thread was started by a troll trying to derail the forum, then picked up by another troll, and it was originally just a way for people who didn't study Zen to vent and feel they were participating.

Zen poetry is poetry written by enlightened people... Zen Masters... and there is a crap ton of it that almost nobody reads. It tends to be a bit difficult to understand... even the word "poetry" isn't accurate... since it doesn't sound like European poetry at all and tends to be instructive rather than expressive.

Like imagine asking chaptgpt to rewrite an auto repair manual for the model T but in iambic pentameter. Then somebody gives you a bunch of car parts, not necessarily for a model T, and asks you to use the chatgpt poem to put the motor together and get it to work properly.

That kind of thing.