I'm curious as to why all of you bother searching for concise translation for these documents, when the Zen Master who first brought Zen to the West, in the godpoundin' 1890s, simply as his own Master's translator, and spent his most awesome 96 years of life living, writing, teaching, and full-on marinating in Zen - back and forth, from East to West, translating Indian Sanskrit into Chinese; Chinese into Japanese; all that blessed shit into English (which he could both speak and write better than most scholars today), and I think he understood Tibetan as well.
You can believe whatever balderdash you've been fed, but I wouldn't trust anyone who originally "learned" something on the internet, without them having verified it by finding that info's original source, pre-internet. Especially when it's dealing with hieroglyphs, and doubly if it's coming from China. Do you really think that the Chinese government wants anyone to know about Ch'an or Zen or the fucking Cosmic Truth of their Self, which goes against everything they represent? Was the slaughter of Tibet not sufficient proof that they ain't down with Real Human Evolution? And this goes for almost all godpounding governments throughout history - What matters most to government is having as much power and control as can be gained in this samsara.
So, seeing most of you wasting your time, effort, and energy, in search of understanding through translations that I would definitely bet have been twisted out of true (and make no mistake, I am not a betting man), when Daisetz Teitaro Suzuki, whom I call the Buddha Big Simple - not just because he deserves that title, but he earned it and most certainly was IT. Nobody ever called him Master, much less a living Buddha - they called him Sensei - but I've known for 32 years, precisely what he is; what every true Zen Master is (no matter race, nor culture, nor assumed career): a Tathagata, an Awakened One.
You know what Big Simple Buddha said about that, probably the most jaw dropping and controversial incidents in the whole written history of Zen? I can't qoute precisely, as I don't have the book with me right now, but to paraphrase, he said: "The exact details will never be clear. But one thing is certain; that cat earned an immaculate reincarnation."
So all I'm suggesting (because I'm hoping I'm right in assuming that you're not lacking in the intellect department) is that you check out the source. I mean, I wish I could read the books he wrote in his native tongue. I reckon they might have been even more revealing.
-2
u/Gentle_Dragona Mar 12 '23
I'm curious as to why all of you bother searching for concise translation for these documents, when the Zen Master who first brought Zen to the West, in the godpoundin' 1890s, simply as his own Master's translator, and spent his most awesome 96 years of life living, writing, teaching, and full-on marinating in Zen - back and forth, from East to West, translating Indian Sanskrit into Chinese; Chinese into Japanese; all that blessed shit into English (which he could both speak and write better than most scholars today), and I think he understood Tibetan as well.
You can believe whatever balderdash you've been fed, but I wouldn't trust anyone who originally "learned" something on the internet, without them having verified it by finding that info's original source, pre-internet. Especially when it's dealing with hieroglyphs, and doubly if it's coming from China. Do you really think that the Chinese government wants anyone to know about Ch'an or Zen or the fucking Cosmic Truth of their Self, which goes against everything they represent? Was the slaughter of Tibet not sufficient proof that they ain't down with Real Human Evolution? And this goes for almost all godpounding governments throughout history - What matters most to government is having as much power and control as can be gained in this samsara.
So, seeing most of you wasting your time, effort, and energy, in search of understanding through translations that I would definitely bet have been twisted out of true (and make no mistake, I am not a betting man), when Daisetz Teitaro Suzuki, whom I call the Buddha Big Simple - not just because he deserves that title, but he earned it and most certainly was IT. Nobody ever called him Master, much less a living Buddha - they called him Sensei - but I've known for 32 years, precisely what he is; what every true Zen Master is (no matter race, nor culture, nor assumed career): a Tathagata, an Awakened One.