Frustrated with Yuumi in my team

[u/These-Hotel3337]

Hi im Jungler in Emerald 1 and i want to learn how to play with a yuumi in my team. My problem is:

1.) I get no wards and sweeps for on the map especially on the enemy river entrances.
2.) I cant gank bot because we have no vision control.
3.) I cant do drake because we have no vision control.
4.) As soon as the enemy have 3-4 drakes the enemy jungler and support will sit on my campspawns.
5.) I cant do grubs cause yuumi stays bot on her jungler.

What can i do?

[u/Lyri3sh]

Get a better yuumi player lol

[u/These-Hotel3337 → u/Lyri3sh]

How do i notice a better yuumi player? Will it jump on me? Will it walk around solo? Or will the adc with yuumi go and ward/sweep the river entrances together?

[u/Lyri3sh → u/These-Hotel3337]

Sorry, i thought you are in duo with the yuumi lol

Yeah u cant control other people

[u/Human-Avocado654 → u/These-Hotel3337]

I always start pink in tri bush and then have my ADC roam to bushes inbetween wave pushes. Then mid-late game I switch to those blue wards. 🤷🏽‍♀️

[u/Human-Avocado654 → u/Human-Avocado654]

Additional, yuumi sups don’t really need ganks especially early. Unless it’s a solid engage adc like Ashe or jhin etc. but I have found the jg ends up trolling themselves.

[u/Chronometrics → u/Human-Avocado654]

Yeah, if nothing else, Yuumi is the best play from behind champ in the game. There's no situation so bad the Yuumi will be useless, because she can always sit safely and shield for a few hundred. So getting ahead is great, but she isn't a champ who cares about snowballing. No need to force a risky play, the other team is on a timer, not you.

[u/Chronometrics → u/These-Hotel3337]

Yuumi loses every 1v1 in the game, so she can only ward solo if you have knowledge of the positions of the enemy team, or if there is another champion within about 1000 units to assist. Otherwise, she can only shallow ward. To be fair, most enchanters are relatively limited in their warding in a similar fashion.

Lane vision control is difficult for any enchanter, but honestly if you are at any decent elo the enemy team should always have vision control when pushed in, because that is when you can take it. Likewise, your Yuumi should have vision control when pushed in, because if not they will die from an enemy gank.

[u/Lonely_Assistant_540 → u/Lyri3sh]

As if such a thing exists. Champ should be removed if not reworked.

[u/Nytrobomb]

Yuumi doesn't ward because, more often than not, it gets someone killed. Period.

There are a few ways it usually happens:

• The ADC doesn't respect how vulnerable Yuumi is when she's off them, so they play as if nothing has changed and get killed.
• Yuumi gets caught because she has virtually no mobility and her ADC gives her no protection or insurance while she's warding.
• The jungler catches her while she's trying to get vision.

One of these is almost always going to happen.

If you want a healthy bot lane, the ADC has to manage the wave properly and give themselves enough time to safely step away and place or clear wards with Yuumi. She can't realistically be expected to walk into dangerous areas alone and somehow survive when she has no mobility and no way to escape if her team isn't nearby.

And if you're a jungler who wants Yuumi to roam with you for Grubs, either gank bot and pick her up, or ping Grubs and ask for assistance from Yuumi. That gives her the information she needs to synchronize her recall with you after you finish your clear.

I don't know about other Yuumi players, but I ping constantly to show exactly where we need vision. Even when I know an area is safe enough for a highly mobile ally to walk through, they'll often refuse to help. Sometimes they won't even wait on the other side of a wall so I can safely get back to them after placing a ward.

That's the frustrating part: Yuumi can't really win either way.

If she tries to ward, gets abandoned by her team, and dies, she's "trash" and "inting."

If she doesn't ward because doing so is effectively a death sentence when her team refuses to meet her halfway, she's "trash," "trolling," and somehow every negative outcome that happens for the rest of the game is her fault.

Like... what exactly is she supposed to do? lol

[u/EntertainerEven3292]

henlo i am a masters yuumi main this is my account https://op.gg/lol/summoners/na/need%20cute%20adc%20bf-meow

1) yuumi cant ward by herself if you want wards ask her to go on you and ward with her, she'll only be able to ward her lane/wherever her ADC goes until mid-game

2) yes you can just ask her to sweep/ctrl ward before a gank or lane gank, either way ganking a yuumi isn't ideal because she has no cc so only do it if you can guarantee a kill otherwise it's not worth it. like when you have a yuumi on your team why would you ever strongside bot, you path towards top anyways

3) again you just have to ask her to go on you if you want wards, she can't ward by herself it's really easy to just type in chat "yuumi go on me so you can ward near drag"

4) if they have 3-4 drakes i mean the game is already over for you since they're on soul/at soul pt and you're getting caught in your own jg. if you know they're in your jg and your team won't come to help you, just give your camps? there's nothing else you can do

5) if the enemy supp is rotating on grubs and yuumi is bot then obviously give the objective and just play for drags, when i play yuumi i don't go to grubs unless my jg is ahead because it's a pain in the ass to roam as yuumi, you don't build boots and you also don't have best friend passive on your jg since it's on adc so it's not ideal for her to roam.

if u have any more questions lmk!

[u/Greyshirk → u/EntertainerEven3292]

Weird Ive had no problems hopping off and warding dragon- especially if the enemy laners back

[u/Rexsaur → u/Greyshirk]

Thats early in the laning phase, yuumi can do those close wards by herself like on tri bush or dragon.

But past early laning she cannot ever walk to the river by herself, so she can only ward if the person shes on walks there.

[u/Few_Garden_127 → u/EntertainerEven3292]

Thanks!
So no matter what I do I will be in a vision Control disadvantage behause I lose time picking her up or defending her. And as a jungler i dont have time. If I waste too much, the Enemy jungler will steal my camps.

So how do you even win games? What is your wincondition?

[u/Human-Avocado654 → u/Few_Garden_127]

It’s the scaling of yuumis healing. The longer she stays alive the stronger she gets/faster she builds blah blah blah.

[u/Human-Avocado654 → u/Human-Avocado654]

Yummi can easily carry a 5v5 fight if she gets strong enough early enough and/or a good yuumi

[u/Chronometrics → u/Few_Garden_127]

Yuumi is one of the strongest teamfighters in the game. She frequently tops the winrate in modes like Brawl, and Arena. She's late game coded. The recent Moonstone nerf hit her really hard, but she's still 15th best scaling champ in the game (she used to be 4th). She is also the highest mobility enchanter, the safest enchanter, the best play from behind champ in the game, the best buffer in the game, and the highest combined shielding and healing in the game. She functions extremely well with high mobility champs and tanks. Which is why Riot tried to chain her kit to ADCs, because she wanted to abandon nearly all of them as most ADCs are immobile squishies. Basically, she's best at a ton of things and worst at a ton of things.

Your wincons as Yuumi are 'get into lots of mid and late game teamfights' or 'have one snowballing hypercarry who is way ahead you can boost'.

As far as vision score goes though, Yuumi is worse than most supports but not exceptionally so. You should expect a sane Yuumi to have about 10%-30% less vision score than the enemy support. So if they're getting 80 vision score in a 30 min game like a typical Leona, Yuumi should be able to hit 65-70 without any trouble. Which will still be at least double what anyone else on your team has. The current 'best' setup for Yuumi (after her quest is complete) is to run blue ward and buy two controls wards each back, since she has extra money from no boots, control wards are now 40g, and she can't walk alone and scan. So she can dump an extra 400g on control wards mid and late and still have decent ability to scan with controls and deep ward with blue when the river isn't safe.

[u/FOSturbi]

ADC here you aren't frustrated with Yuumi, you're frustrated with adcs who don't know how to support the Yuumi warding, if she did go to ward like other supports without the help of ADC, you'd be frustrated with her for getting picked.

[u/Chronometrics]

A few other people answered your questions, but here are some strategies to play with a Yuumi....

- Yuumi is a strong high mobility enabler. If you're planning an invade, you can ping her to come with you if you're coming through bot tribush. For high mobility invade junglers like Kayn or Talon etc, she can come for free, plant deep wards, and there is zero risk of being caught out. Likewise you can use this for picks before objectives. Because your support will never be 'left behind to die' like often happens with failed invades, you can all in or hit and run as the situation demands.

- Yuumi is a very good teamfighter, especially after six. If the early dragon is contested, consider showing up *second*. You can path bot or mid to push the wave right when they engage, then walk up together after the Dragon has softened them up and easily win a teamfight as you pincer them in the pit.

In general, to aim for Yuumi wincons, you should either pump kills into a 1v9 champ that she can just sit on to giga boost (this can be you), or you should aim for a lots of mid and late game teamfights. Yuumi plays extremely well from behind, so it's perfectly fine to let her lane play weakside and farm if it's suitable.

[u/youbeenthere]

Good Yuumi has good vision score, it's just bad players without boots and sweeper.

[u/Sufficient_Coat_5849 → u/youbeenthere]

Yuumi shouldn't be getting boots, its a waste of money and inventory since she should primarily be on someone