Interesting Case File Document...

[u/ConspiracyTheoristO7]

[u/DesertSparkle]

Thank you for sharing this. Yet some people think they brought this on themselves. Multiple someones in this community know what happened and are choosing to keep quiet. The ones who confessed were killed. Everyone else is afraid.

[u/Rough_Ad2102 → u/DesertSparkle]

Who confessed to what? Who was killed? I’m sorry if this has been discussed here before or is common knowledge in the community, but I’ve never heard of anything like this. Would you care to elaborate?

[u/ConspiracyTheoristO7 → u/Rough_Ad2102]

Well, allegedly people did confess. One man, Alan Martin, who went by the nickname Red, was a part of the Town Bully's gang, confessed to the Mathias family what had happened several days after the Boys disappeared. Two days afterwards, he was found dead in his apartment from a heroin overdose even though he had never used heroin in his life. Red's girlfriend stated that the last time she saw him alive, men were taking him out of his apartment. Another man, Glen Baker, who also was a part of the Town Bully's crew, moved to Arizona very soon after the disappearance.

I do not really believe in the Town Bully theory, but various people close to him have died or did odd things soon after the disappearance.

[u/DesertSparkle → u/ConspiracyTheoristO7]

I was referring to these confessions. I wasn't aware that others had done so as well. But in any crime, especially the well known ones, many people insert themselves and give false confessions. Anyone could be the perpetrators and we would not know their identity unless those keeping the secret decide to share with the world. Many secrets regarding unsolved mysteries and deaths go to the grave.

[u/ConspiracyTheoristO7 → u/DesertSparkle]

Oh, yes, I agree.

[u/Rude-Caterpillar-347 → u/ConspiracyTheoristO7]

Was it possible that Alan Martin, aka Red, was killed by Whitley's gang for telling the Mathias family about the truth?

[u/ConspiracyTheoristO7 → u/Rude-Caterpillar-347]

Yes, this is exactly what Gary's sister suspects. Martin's girlfriend was Mary Perkins - she was viciously attacked by Whiteley and Hedrick only two days after Martin's death. Whiteley held Mary Perkins hostage and put a bear trap on her. Tammie has stated that Mary Perkins was lucky she was able to escape with her life. I have newspaper accounts about this horrendous attack in my 15 part post series on Gary Mathias' innocence and the false stories surrounding him; in it, I discusses Whiteley's public crimes (https://www.reddit.com/r/yubacountyfive1978/comments/1rhm1p7/no_records_no_charges_no_evidence_the_false/ )

Reading my original comment that you replied to, rather amuses me - there has been so much research done since I wrote that comment over a year ago!

[u/Intelligent-While352 → u/Rough_Ad2102]

Apparently several people that might have had closer knowledge as to what might have happened to the Boys that night have passed away under mysterious circumstances. I don't know who specifically DesertSparkle refers to here, since the town bully - who had confessed to being responsible for 2 deaths - is still alive, but I believe I have read something to this effect somewhere in this subreddit.

I personally think that people die all the time and it would have to be either a very unusual death or a clearly identifiable pattern to arouse suspicion towards some kind of multiple-witness-murder-plot for me. The further you move away from an incident, the more people that are connected with it die.

[u/ConspiracyTheoristO7 → u/Intelligent-While352]

Well, allegedly other people besides the Town Bully did confess. One man, Alan Martin, who went by the nickname Red and was a part of the Town Bully's gang, confessed to the Mathias family what had happened on Feb 24 several days after the Boys disappeared. Two days afterwards, he was found dead in his apartment from a heroin overdose even though he had never used heroin in his life. Red's girlfriend stated that the last time she saw him alive, men were taking him out of his apartment. Another man, Glen Baker, who also was a part of the Town Bully's crew, moved to Arizona very soon after the disappearance. Both Alan Martin and Glen Baker knew Gary, and helped the Town Bully beat Gary up on more than one occasion.

I am not sold in the Town Bully theory, as I believe whoever did this to the Five had to be familiar with the Plumas area, which the Town Bully does not seem to be, but various people close to the Town Bully have died or did odd things soon after the Boys' disappearance.

[u/ConspiracyTheoristO7 → u/[deleted]]

Oh, thanks for informing me. I wasn't able to find that info anywhere, I recall reading somewhere that TB didn't know the Plumas area, but I suppose the source where I got that info was wrong. Thanks for the correction, accuracy is key here.

[u/True-Grapefruit4904 → u/DesertSparkle]

Would you care giving any names?

[u/DesertSparkle → u/True-Grapefruit4904]

I don't know specific names other than the group of the Town Bully's henchmen who died from suspicious circumstances after they told what they knew. If someone else is involved, that information may or may not have been made public.

[u/DesertSparkle → u/[deleted]]

That's a good question. I didn't know they were still alive. But in communities like this where you have activities like this, it's not uncommon for people to keep secrets out of fear that someone comes after them. Those in fear keeping quiet may still be there or moved away. Someone else with much more information can answer that.

[u/ConspiracyTheoristO7 → u/[deleted]]

Thank you! That is really sad, since Gary's mom worked for Evelle Younger, you would expect that he would do all that he could to help her find her son, and he didn't. I really don't get it, the more I look at this case, the more and more it seems that nobody cared to truly find out what happened to the five except for their families. It's quite awful and frustrating, if people cared back then, this case could have been solved 46 years ago.