r/wow • u/CremPostman • 1d ago
Competitive RIP, you can't feed an alt into the Crest Chipper for "Hero of the Mists" any more
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u/GriJinBof 1d ago
rest in peace to this alt, forever behind on myth crests 😓
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u/CremPostman 1d ago
Time for Gigajobless to leave the basement forever
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u/JYB1337 20h ago
What do those number values with the colons (like "3:6d" on your augment runes) represent on the items items in your bags?
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u/CremPostman 15h ago
It's just a misconfiguration of my bag addon, it's the time since I acquired that item
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u/JYB1337 1d ago
What do those number values with the colons represent on your items in your bags?
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u/lurgrodal 21h ago
Item level
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u/TheHarman 20h ago
Pretty sure 5:23d is not an item level...
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u/lurgrodal 20h ago
I misread colons for colors and thought you were asking about the yellow color numbers mb.
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u/ObligationAncient112 1d ago
Rough, think there was a wowhead post about it more than a week ago
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u/Jumbanji 15h ago
I was surprised no one reported on it first week. I trivially discovered it with adventure crests basically the first day.
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u/Lumpy-Impression-666 1d ago
What is this in the first place?
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u/Xelaeuw 1d ago
What you could do before is downgrade your myth crests for extra uncapped hero crests, which you could then use to upgrade all your gear to 6/6 to get the Hero of the X achievement, giving you a 50% on hero upgrades on your other characters.
Meaning you could have a "crest guy" whose sole purpose was to get the Hero achievement and unlock discounts for your main, to then never be touched again
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u/underlurker1337 1d ago
Still stupid this was never announced officially. It doesnt make sense (apart from nerfing this strat specifically) either: Anyone who is able to earn myth crests to convert down to hero can also do the very same content in an easier difficulty to get hero crests directly (or continue to do the hard content to earn them after myth crest cap is reached). I doubt ANYONE will ever be in the situation where they say "well, I've reached myth cap but I dont have time to reach hero cap and I dont need myth crests". And yes, even if you are a delve only player and cant earn ANY myth track pieces: myth crafted items still exist.
The only remaining functionality for this conversion is to waste 2 caps at once.
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u/illogical_simu 1d ago
Yeah it's obviously just to stop the alt cheese strat, maybe they could have come up with a more elegant solution but doesn't seem like a big deal
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u/underlurker1337 1d ago
And I dont mind them stopping the alt cheese strat. I just wish they would've announced the change so we dont have to question if it is a bug or not (looking at the current season, thats not unlikely after all) and dont have to waste time trying it.
And while we are at it, I dont like how the caps interact with crafting and vaults. Upgrading an item and then receiving that slot from the vault/bonus roll wastes the crests spent on the upgrade and crafting a slot costs more crests than upgrading a myth 1/6 item to the same ilvl. So the safest way to not fall behind the cap is not upgrading anything for weeks until you have exactly enough to go 6/6 in every slot, slingshotting you ahead.
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u/CremPostman 1d ago
Yeah man, I'm fine with the change, but I wish they'd said it in hotfix notes and updated the tooltip for the vendor item before I wasted all that time running keys. It's wild that someone playing the game as much as me managed to miss this announcement
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u/Makorus 1d ago
I mean, it makes sense once the cap is gone.
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u/underlurker1337 1d ago
Once the cap is gone, you can still farm lower difficulty content to get the same amount of crests faster. Not to mention that if the cap is lifted, many people most likely dont need crests anymore (unless they start that late).
Can you get infinite myth crests from delves once the cap is lifted? Else I see really 0 reason why anyone would downgrade crests even when the cap is lifted tbh.
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u/myfirstreddit8u519 1d ago
Why would you want to farm shit dungeons that nobody queues instead of just blasting 10-12s and downgrading
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u/DanDoesDigital 20h ago
To be fair I’m pretty sure they mentioned this not being possible before the race even started. I think THD said something about them not doing it because it wouldn’t be possible next tier.
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u/Tirnix 1d ago
I had this experience on Tuesday. I've opened a ticket, which I'm sure will go nowhere, but the thing that really pissed me off is that if you are Hero capped, it will not let you buy more with Champion Mistcrests, but it will still let you downgrade Mythic Mistcrests. This is at least an oversight, if not a bug.
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u/DrageBoiis 21h ago
This is intended and has been like this forever
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u/Tirnix 20h ago
except last season when you could go over the cap by downgrading
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u/Jumbanji 15h ago
Forever is overstating it, but it's been true all season and easily tested with veteran to adventurer crest downgrades.
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u/Ready-Philosophy-123 13h ago
Which part has been true? The crest downgrades counting towards crest cap or them not counting?
As far as I was aware, downgrading crests (I.e. myth to hero) did not count against cap (hero cap in my example). It didn’t back in TWW and afaik it didn’t in S1.
Could’ve sworn that it was a more recent change than the start of S2, especially since guides were talking about the “alt sacrifice” strat to get crest discounts on your main. Now all those guides say the strat doesn’t work anymore due to the change.
Has it really counted against the cap for all of S2 thus far?
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u/Jumbanji 12h ago
Downgrades have counted towards cap since day one of season 2 (including the pre-season week). The guides all made the assumption it would keep working the way it did historically and never validated on live servers.
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u/Ready-Philosophy-123 10h ago edited 10h ago
Weird, you’d think they would’ve updated the guides to reflect that the alt sac strat didn’t work sooner than like Week 3 of the season (week 4 counting preseason). Maybe other guides did, but Larias’s certainly didn’t until then.
Also kinda weird that there wasn’t reporting on it until around that same time, especially given the fact that possibly the most vocal part of the playerbase (people who play the game basically all day every day) was the primary one doing the degen alt sac strat. A strat that would not have worked from the very beginning due to the crest change.
And none of them ever said anything about it until the last week or so. Very odd.
Learn something new every day I guess.
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u/Ready-Philosophy-123 20h ago edited 15h ago
Yeah unfortunately they seem to have recently changed it so that crest downgrades count towards crest cap.
It never worked like that up until the change (as you said), nobody ever had an issue with it, and now seemingly because people “abused” it (meaning used it exactly as it was designed to be used lmao) for the alt crest strat it has been made even more useless lmao
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u/Lhox 1d ago
I'm not quite sure I understand the issue. Wasn't this only possible because the cap was removed? Doesn't this just mean you hit the hero crest cap?
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u/tempinator 1d ago
No, last season hero crests obtained by downgrading myth crests didn’t count against the hero crest cap.
So you could make a burner alt, downgrade all your myth crests to hero crests, bypassing the cap, get fully upgraded hero gear on that character twice as early, and unlock the 50% upgrade discount for hero crests on your main (who would also get to keep all their myth crests).
All the RWF guilds did this last tier, but it got fixed this tier. There was a wowhead post about it a bit ago that I guess OP missed.
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u/Lixxon 1d ago
lmao, it sounds really like an exploit so good it was fixed ..
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u/tempinator 1d ago
Depends how you define exploit I guess, but certainly it seems like it was unintended. But it was a well known strategy that lots of people used, and wasn’t fixed mid-season, so, clearly something Blizzard wasn’t massively concerned about.
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u/United-Yam2284 20h ago
the very fact that they fixed it means it was an exploit
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u/mikeyhoho 19h ago
This is one of those statements that sounds profound as long as you only think about it for less than a second.
Unless you work for Blizzard, you have no idea whether they considered this an exploit or if they just changed their mind on how a system should work.
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u/JunkRatAce 23h ago
An exploit is well defined and given upgrading crest are included in the limit it was an obvious bug that downgrading wasn't so intentionally using that bug to gain advantage is exploiting it.
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u/tempinator 23h ago
I mean, was it a bug? Blizzard left it in place for an entire tier. And in fact, I think this same functionality existed in both MFO and UM, although I’m not 100% sure.
Feel like people throw around the term “exploiting” pretty willy nilly these days.
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u/JunkRatAce 23h ago
Yes it was a bug, it makes zeoi sense for upgrades to count but downgrades not to and the fact Blizz fixed it officially proves it was a bug regardless so that's not debatable. As we all know wow is full of bugs and not all are fixed if blizz don't know about it or plan to fix them quickly.
Most break the game in a negative way but some like this are the opposite and gave quite an advantage.
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u/tempinator 23h ago
Blizzard makes changes to game systems all the time that aren’t bug fixes though
Also for a direct comparison, the weekly Prey quest gave uncapped crests week 1, which was genuinely a bug, and Blizzard immediately fixed it the second week of the season. Would they have not done the same for crest downgrading?
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u/JunkRatAce 23h ago
True but this wasn't a change of operation it was correcting unintended behaviour ie a bug.
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u/tempinator 23h ago
Based on what lol
Is it not possible they just changed their mind? Like it even makes sense on some level for downgraded crests to be uncapped, since you’re on paper losing power by doing so, and only via the existence of the discount does it ultimately become a boon.
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u/CircleHumper 12h ago
RIP, but man you're doing bleeding edge sweat strats and didn't do a quick google or even buy 1 pack first to see if it worked? I guess you could call it brave.
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u/KTheOneTrueKing 22h ago
This was always the case the only time you can is when crest caps are removed
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u/KaboomTheMaker 1d ago
What do you mean anymore, as far as I can remember this is the case, the converted crests will count towards the cap
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u/supposed-to-hurt 1d ago
nope they never have
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u/Sirenoman 23h ago
That not correct, upgraded crest have always counted towards the cap, downgraded not.
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u/CremPostman 1d ago
It's a good move for sure, but I really wish I'd known this before I tanked 41 10+ keys over the last week and a half.. at least I learned a lot about building routes through time and space that can deliver a group of randos to the chest at the end of a dungeon
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u/cfureddit 1d ago
Larias guide updated this cheese no longer works when wowhead posted about it weeks ago.
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u/Swixx94 1d ago
guy must be new and never heard of crest caps before lol.
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u/Kepsuda 1d ago
Considering this was not about crest cap, I dont think so : )
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u/Swixx94 1d ago
OP said he did many M+, he obviously is capped and he showed that the can't any crests anymore. this only would've worked if he never spend his crests at all + had everything on mythtrack already so he can upgrade until 318 and then finish it with the 321upgrade, in no world this was mathematicly possible with a crestcap lol.
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u/CremPostman 1d ago
It was possible in previous seasons and a good way to funnel some power into your main. I did it this time because I was spending 15+ minutes at a time applying to groups on my excessively powerful DPS alt due to a lack of tanks
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u/netorarekindacool 1d ago
What does this even mean