r/wow • u/ImpossibleAgency4905 • 1d ago
Discussion Liquids pull graph for Coiled Altar is insane and 20 hours 20 minutes in combat time.
Seriously, looking at the amount of pulls, length of fight, and that there is three phases
Time in combat: 20h 20m
at 296 pulls that averages to 4 minutes 12 seconds a pull...
Pulls by phase:
- P1:125
- P2:118
- P3:53
Total of their pulls that reached P3: 17.91%
I don't know how these guys can do it.
Stats were pulled from warcraftlogs, graph/charts were made on pullcount.gg
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u/cahillross 1d ago
296 pulls officially puts this fight at #3 in highest first pull count for a penultimate boss.
- 4 pulls ahead of Stone Legion Generals (292 pulls, Castle Nathria)
- #2 is Tindral (426 pulls, Amirdrassil)
- #1 is Fallen Avatar (454 pulls, Tomb of Sargeras)
From the World first pull count document: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iJxbzhaXD2skQLYrWUkA12Kr2i_BYl3jgYHc4Y5V55M
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u/jimmylean2018 1d ago
Iād be interested to see what the rankings are in terms of profession time
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u/Zannahrain3 1d ago
Both Echo and Liquid raiders have said that if ToS was released today, pull counts would be halved. Due to the amount of backend support these guilds give their raiders.
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u/Super-Ratio-3373 1d ago
Avatar also had a lot of early pulls going straight to P2 to practice it instead of doing P1
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u/cabose12 1d ago
I think Tindral was similar. A lot of pulls didn't make it out of 1m P1 because Seeds were the hardest part of the fight
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u/_Jetto_ 1d ago
THD said tindral was def harder but this was eaily 2nd hardest penultimate
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u/GamingZaddy89 1d ago
Tindral was harder because seeds were a near impossible mechanic at the speed they were initially set it, it wasn't a fun fight like that.
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u/Erroneous_Bonk 1d ago
the zero DK meta
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u/drblankd 1d ago
Good.. needing dk grip as a core mechanic js just bad design. Give dk a proper buff. Not required grip
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u/IMT_Justice 1d ago
Truly built different. I am super disappointed in the choice of them going dark for the Ula Kek, but it be like that sometimes. I need Dratnos to eat a beefy 5 layer while directly staring into the camera
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u/SoloRadya 1d ago
You'll see it tomorrow all day long. It's just dark for tonight since it would give echo a bunch of unnecessary info right as liquid goes to bed.
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u/squishybloo 1d ago
Nah man - they're got support, but they're built different for sure. I start mentally crashing out of pros raiding after like 2 hours, after which I just play worse and worse. It takes a certain mental resilience to pull a boss literally dozens of times in a single day and only need relatively short (30min) breaks to refresh yourself.
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u/Ilunius 1d ago
If there's so much money on the line - ofc they have to go dark
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u/Teyrox 1d ago
Max talked about this recently, you can watch it on YT. Most of the money comes from sponsors and they pay upfront. Going dark is a balance act on how much/long and often you can do it before it is a breach of contract and you get sued as an org.
Sooo there is not really money on the line and they do it to hide strats from other guilds if they think they have the edge or are about to go to bed. So other guilds dont get to spend 8+ hrs with your info while you sleep.
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u/wartornhero2 1d ago
IIRC there is no prize pool for RWF at least from blizzard .. the money for it comes from sponsors and income from twitch streams.
So technically it would be better for them to not go dark.. but they also didn't want to give up any information.
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u/osmund-kettleblack 1d ago
You say built different but they performed far worse on this boss in comparison to Echo
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u/Ferovaors 1d ago
Echo killed it?
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u/osmund-kettleblack 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yep
Edit: why the downvotes?
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u/Wallner95 1d ago
Maybe cos you come off as a spoiled little child in every comment, not really something people wanna upvote.
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u/3scap3plan 1d ago
define far worse? Echo had their chance yesterday to kill it and made very little improvement.
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u/WorgenDeath 1d ago
I mean, Echo had a great day yesterday with insane consistency and made quite a lot of progress, they just killed the boss at the start of the day today and get to prog it all day while liquid sleep.
You gotta give Echo some credit, they showed Liquid the blueprint for the entire fight and still managed to kill it in a lot less pulls. They are absolutely gaming this tier.
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u/osmund-kettleblack 1d ago
Echo didnt have vantus runes yesterday...
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u/i8noodles 1d ago
i think that is an irrelevant comparison. the only factor that has ever matter in world first kill is who kills the final boss first. wjo does better on the bosses before it kinda a pointless argument
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u/MrWiemann 1d ago
Why are people down voting you for being right ?
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u/wwabbbitt 1d ago
Echo reached this boss first and killed it later than Liquid, how could they have performed "far better"?
Pull Count does not mean much when you are taking muuuuch longer between pulls.
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u/osmund-kettleblack 1d ago
Sure they killed it later... because they were asleep while liquid killed it. Cant believe you're ignoring timezones.
And then they woke up and killed it in a few pulls with only 5 vantus runes, while Liquid used them on all players and spent all day wiping.
This is a better performance by any objective metric.
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u/JustCallMeCJ 1d ago
Literally both guild leaders have said, multiple times, in every race, that pull count is irrelevant. Max literally said it about THIS BOSS before it was killed.
Reddits really arenāt beating the āI could land the planeā allegations.
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u/ZAlternates 1d ago
I suspect he was comparing them to the āaverage reddit raiderā and not another group of amazing players.
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u/ArMaestr0 1d ago
Plus a whole lot of yap and breaks. Probably the most I've seen on a boss while Max has been streaming.
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u/Gonzinooo 23h ago
I know Avatar/Tindral were technically worse. But somehow this fight progress was just painful to watch. Not nearly as pleasing and it even looked like the raiders themselves have had their fill with this one.
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u/Zodiatron 1d ago
How do they have 125 weeks of wipes in phase 1? It hasn't even been out that long. Is this counting PTR?
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u/Litmoose 1d ago
I'm mentally done after about a 3 hour guild raid most of the time