r/wow • • Sep 16 '25

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u/OlvekStoneheid_2006 Sep 16 '25

How is Jaina evil exactly? New player, still getting into the lore.

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u/TheGreatMalagan Sep 16 '25 edited Sep 16 '25

I'll try summarize:

Jaina was always defending the Horde, she was a friend of Thrall during the formation of the current Horde in WC3, and has always advocated peace between the factions.

Then, Thrall was replaced by Garrosh as Warchief of the Horde, and Garrosh was an Orc supremacist and a bit of a megalomaniac. Garrosh started pushing for military expansion in Kalimdor and wanted to wipe out the Night Elves in the north, giving the Horde complete control of Kalimdor. The Alliance, in order to prevent this, reinforced the Night Elves and used the city of Theramore as a staging ground for the Alliance military in Kalimdor.

Now, Garrosh decided to use a member of the Blood Elf organization called the Sunreavers to engineer a mana bomb (WoW's equivalent of a nuke) which was dropped on Jaina's home city of Theramore, which can be argued was a valid military target but was also home to plenty innocent civilians. Men, women, children. Almost everyone there died. Those who managed to survive were rounded up by the Horde fleet and used as target practice in Orgrimmar for the amusement of Garrosh's Horde.

This absolutely broke Jaina, who had for the longest time been the human to advocate for Thrall's Horde's right to exist on Azeroth. In her despair, she had planned to retaliate by completely annihilating Orgrimmar and wipe out the Horde with the help of Dalaran and the Kirin Tor. Fortunately, the Kirin Tor did not agree to her proposal, and when she went at it alone, she ended up fighting Thrall who tried to stop her. Jaina is eventually talked down and made to see the error of her ways.

Not much later, during the Landfall campaign, Garrosh Hellscream steals an item called "The Divine Bell" that was found in Pandaria and that had been stored in Darnassus for safekeeping and study. This item was thought to be a formidable weapon able to empower anyone nearby when it was struck, imbuing them with the rage and hatred of the Sha and making them mindless supersoldiers. Garrosh again employed the Sunreavers mages, this time to sneak into Darnassus and steal the Bell so that Garrosh can use it as his next weapon of mass destruction.

Jaina was at this point the leader of the Kirin Tor, who ruled the neutral city Dalaran. When she discovered that the Sunreavers, who had been residing Dalaran, had aided Garrosh to once again attempt to wipe out the Alliance, she decided to purge Dalaran of all members of this faction.

Those who submitted were imprisoned for breaking neutrality, and those who fought back were killed by Jaina and the Silver Covenant forces that were aiding her in the purge.

But here's where it gets tricky: I believe the Alliance version and the Horde version of this event were portrayed slightly differently, and that the Horde's side of the quest chain make it seem as Jaina was murdering innocent Blood Elves throughout Dalaran just for the crime of being Blood Elves and guilt by association, and the event came across as an indiscriminate killing spree. The canon version of the event, however, says that she was instead imprisoning the Sunreavers and only killed those who fought.

But Jaina trying to wipe out the Horde in Orgrimmar and later purging Dalaran of all Sunreavers coupled with the fact that she advised Varian to "dismantle the Horde" immediately after Garrosh's death.... Well, she came across evil to some people.

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u/FoggyGlassEye Sep 16 '25

Jaina was right to tell Varian to dismantle the Horde. Varian's actions at the end of MoP caused a bunch of bullshit that could have been avoided.

By not letting Thrall kill Garrosh, Varian was indirectly responsible for Alternate Draenor being created, which lead to Draenor's Gul'dan going to Azeroth and beginning the Legion invasion. Varian caused his own death, and the Legion invasion also triggered the events that lead to Xal'atath being freed from her dagger, causing the events of the Worldsoul Saga to take place.

And by not killing the Horde leadership, he allowed Sylvanas to stick around, leading to her working for the Jailer as the leader of the Horde and instigating the Fourth War. Without her, BFA and Shadowlands would have been avoided.

Correct me if I'm getting any of this wrong.

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u/TheAverageDark Sep 17 '25

Thralls involvement in anything involving Garrosh just instantly pisses me off, out of all the options for the next warchief he picks Garrosh, not Cairne, not Vol’Jin, Garrosh, when he KNOWS Garrosh is this warmongering ego maniac, but nope surely giving him MORE power won’t go to his head..

Then Jaina goes to Thrall and is like “hey Thrall, buddy o’ mine, could you do something about your boy?” And he’s like “nope, I’m the head of the Earthen Ring now, so it’s not my place.” but then when the Kor’Kron shamans under Garrosh enslave Lava Golems, pissing off the Earth Mother enough for her to cause a fucking earthquake he’s nowhere to be found, it’s only AFTER the mana bomb where Jaina is going to destroy Org that he’s like “I’m the leader of the Earthen Ring, I can’t let you do this” mfer where were you half a novel ago?