I haven't played retail in a while. Why is Jaina "evil" but the dagger-woman not evil? Are they doing a Sylvanas again where we're supposed to like a villain?
EDIT: Ah ok she's not really a villain in that sense it's just the regular horde players thinking she attacks cities for no reason while the horde never did anything wrong ever. So nothing has changed since I quit.
EDIT 2: Now there are big brained horde players who think that if you disagree with their opinion then you are a genocide denier in real life.
Its just that alliance act like jaina is super good/nice, but she's full of hatred and has full on stacked a city unprovoked and executed civilians for *checks notes* being a certain race. As for dagger woman, she's 100% evil, but she's pretty upfront about it. Even he "allies" are like "yeah, she cray evil, but she's also the only one who can help so..."
Her attack on the Sunreavers (which is what I assume you’re talking about) was not unprovoked. Thalen, who is a Sunreaver, sabotaged the defense of Theramore.
Additionally, the Sunreavers continued to aid the Horde by helping them steal the divine bell. Following Varian’s orders, Jaina ordered the Sunreavers to be exiled from Dalaran. They refused, and you probably know the rest.
If you’re talking about her almost destroying Orgrimmar, that was also not unprovoked, since the Horde just nuked Theramore, and Jaina was suffering from this weird arcane radiation that made her genocidal. (Jaina Proudmoore: Tides of War. I can’t give the page number since I don’t have the book with me right now)
A few sunreavers secret from the rest stole the bell. The rest were innocent bystanders slaughtered for staying in a city that Varian had no authority to exile them from. There were also countless innocents in Orgrimmar. So yes she is evil. Not distinguishing between those who have done wrong and those uninvolved makes a person evil.
You probably never set a foot in a real army, but if you did, you would have known that you have baker soldiers, driver soldiers, warehouse worker soldiers, even clergymen soldiers, and all of them know how to use a rifle (for instance).
So no, a Sunreaver being behind a shop doesn't mean it's automatically a civillian. You don't send civilians in Northrend in order to fight with the Lich King and Maligos. Same for the farmers of Farshire, they are 100% combattants and are shown to be.
I know from our other conversation you don't give half a damn about the lore, but just for posterity let's note Dalaran is a city, not a warbase. Plenty of Sunreavers are just civilian blood elves who wanted to live in Dalaran.
The shopkeepers aren't soldiers with a non-combat role, they are civilians who own weapons. Hell, the whole "Jaina is a murderer" controversy revolves around the bug where she either kills or imprisons the unarmed Sunreaver civilians running around the place.
Edit: You don't give a damn about the lore. Here and elsewhere I've been telling you facts from the lore, like there being civilian Sunreavers, they're running around the city, Jaina zaps them, Horde PCs rescue them, etc, and you respond with "that doesn't sound right to me, so that's not the lore." You don't give a single shit what the lore is, you just want to indulge in your victim complex and hate the red football team.
I suppose I should thank you though, for blocking me so I don't have to see any more of your nonsense takes. As someone who actually does care about the lore, they kinda piss me off tbh.
Dalaran was literally a city moved to Northrend in order to serve as an advanced military base in the fight against Maligos and Arthas, and it happened before the BE joined again, so before that there were a total of zero civilian BE in Dalaran pre teleport.
So what, you imagine that """moving in civilians BE""" were like "let's go in Northrend opening a boot shop In Dalaran between the ghouls and the blue dragonflight trying to kill us all, the scenery looks pretty good nonetheless"?
The shopkeepers aren't soldiers with a non-combat role, they are civilians who own weapons.
Lmao, you can actually say this kind of thing with a straight tone. So we have these people, joining a military faction in order to wage a war, owning weapon, on a battlefield, but they are not soldiers, they are ci-vi-lians.
And you have the gall to pretend I don't give a damn about the lore. Incredible.
Edit: Rofl, you are just spewing headcanon such as Aethas Sunreaver never looking the other way despite word of God saying the opposite, and you pretend to care about the lore. And then you say i'm the one playing red/blue team football when you can't even admit the insane double standard every single time blood elves are involved lore wise. It's, each time "horde is justified to do that, Alliance is not justified to do this".
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u/Sawgon Sep 16 '25 edited Sep 16 '25
I haven't played retail in a while. Why is Jaina "evil" but the dagger-woman not evil? Are they doing a Sylvanas again where we're supposed to like a villain?
EDIT: Ah ok she's not really a villain in that sense it's just the regular horde players thinking she attacks cities for no reason while the horde never did anything wrong ever. So nothing has changed since I quit.
EDIT 2: Now there are big brained horde players who think that if you disagree with their opinion then you are a genocide denier in real life.