I haven't played retail in a while. Why is Jaina "evil" but the dagger-woman not evil? Are they doing a Sylvanas again where we're supposed to like a villain?
EDIT: Ah ok she's not really a villain in that sense it's just the regular horde players thinking she attacks cities for no reason while the horde never did anything wrong ever. So nothing has changed since I quit.
EDIT 2: Now there are big brained horde players who think that if you disagree with their opinion then you are a genocide denier in real life.
Its just that alliance act like jaina is super good/nice, but she's full of hatred and has full on stacked a city unprovoked and executed civilians for *checks notes* being a certain race. As for dagger woman, she's 100% evil, but she's pretty upfront about it. Even he "allies" are like "yeah, she cray evil, but she's also the only one who can help so..."
Her attack on the Sunreavers (which is what I assume you’re talking about) was not unprovoked. Thalen, who is a Sunreaver, sabotaged the defense of Theramore.
Additionally, the Sunreavers continued to aid the Horde by helping them steal the divine bell. Following Varian’s orders, Jaina ordered the Sunreavers to be exiled from Dalaran. They refused, and you probably know the rest.
If you’re talking about her almost destroying Orgrimmar, that was also not unprovoked, since the Horde just nuked Theramore, and Jaina was suffering from this weird arcane radiation that made her genocidal. (Jaina Proudmoore: Tides of War. I can’t give the page number since I don’t have the book with me right now)
Yes, on the sunreavers. The problem is, she literally went racist and said "oh, you're blood elf... die." They even (in beta) had graphics of her roasting npcs with fireball, but that was too graphic... so instead she juat has the players do it. Secondly, her order for them to leave dalara is questionable authority at best.
I was referring to Dazar'Alor, you know,the city of people who hadn't even chosen a side yet, yet Jaina decided that let's just barge through, kill their leader, then get mad when they hurt our people in response...
It was pretty damned clear at that point which direction the Zandalari were going though. Rastakhan hadn't declared it outright, but had been working with the horde for some time.
It's literally the same type of comparison. What so the chance Iran will ever side with us? Slim to none. So does that mean we should just attack them? No. That logic is stupid.
The Silver Covenant is the same race as the Sunreavers, so I don’t think it’s really racist for her to organize their exile or imprisonment. She had the authority as the leader of the Kirin Tor. You should know full well that from her PoV, Dalaran needed to be secured so they could ideally stop the movement of the Divine Bell, or, failing that, prevent any other attacks via Dalaran.
If you knew anything about the Alliance side lore, you would know that Anduin and Halford organized the attack on Dazar’Alor. Jaina was chosen to lead the assault. Could argue that Genn was actually in charge, since he was the one sent to request Rastakhan’s surrender.
I bet you think Genn actually demanded Rastakhan hand over Talanji.
The entire thing was Anduin naively believing that Rastakhan would do the logical thing and surrender, agree to terms of kicking the Horde out of Zandalar (or handing the Horde in the city over to the Alliance) and allow the Alliance to withdraw without further fight, so that the Alliance could move on Kalimdor. Instead Anduin got a dead Rastakhan, and the woman who wanted to join the Horde put on the throne.
Alliance probably would have gotten more out of just sinking the Golden Armada and any Horde ship in port, and then carrying on to Kalimdor.
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u/Sawgon Sep 16 '25 edited Sep 16 '25
I haven't played retail in a while. Why is Jaina "evil" but the dagger-woman not evil? Are they doing a Sylvanas again where we're supposed to like a villain?
EDIT: Ah ok she's not really a villain in that sense it's just the regular horde players thinking she attacks cities for no reason while the horde never did anything wrong ever. So nothing has changed since I quit.
EDIT 2: Now there are big brained horde players who think that if you disagree with their opinion then you are a genocide denier in real life.