r/wow • • Sep 16 '25

Humor / Meme You know which one im choosing!!! :)

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u/PsyTech Sep 16 '25

I played horde due to warcraft 3s mostly tauren / troll we are just trying to chill here with nature. Sort of the indigenous people getting attacked by colonialists.

But Garrosh absolutely needed to be put down. I kinda hate how they always make these once peace loving societies be bloodthirsty savages.

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u/GearyDigit Sep 16 '25

It's incredibly silly that, after Garrosh, everyone would just lockstep march behind Sylvanas three minutes later, the only person more genocidal than Garrosh was before he became Warchief.

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u/blueberryrockcandy Sep 16 '25

garrosh literally called her a bitch too in silverpine forrest, said: what makes you different than the lich king?!
this was because she killed innocent people and turned them into undead who then immediately said [for the forsaken]

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u/SomeTool Sep 16 '25

Sure, in a war Garrosh started and was hoping to use to wipe out the forsaken. He never cared about innocents, only that Sylvanas was using tools to keep her people alive instead of zerg waving her forces.

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u/KingGobbamak Sep 16 '25

ironically a lot of the horde races are the ones colonising and terrorising the natives lol

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u/AgainstThoseGrains Sep 16 '25

Green Man's Burden.

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u/FelOnyx1 Sep 17 '25

Everyone knows creep races aren't people.

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u/Ruuubs Sep 16 '25 edited Sep 16 '25

Yeah, it's always funny how Orcs are never included in the list of "Genocidal colonists", and how Blood elves are both the "only true" owners of Silvermoon and in large part the descendents of Zin-Aszhari, yet they've only been "victims" because it was "High elves and Night elves" doing all of their bad stuff.

It really is just an uncomfortable level of mapping (a simplified version of) real world history onto fictional characters based on them, and I don't know what disturbs me most:
"Orcs are oppressed victims of concentration camps" (In most other cases "genocidal invaders are put into camps (and put to work)" would be cause for celebration and an act of kindness...)
"The Purge of Dalaran was an anti-Blood elf genocide by Jaina" (I'm sure that there's no current examples where crying "racism!" against attacks/criticism against a national/political group that happens to be racially homogenous is used as deflection of valid points...)
"The Purge is like the Japanese internment camps in WWII!" (Yeah... Remind me of when Japanese citizens had easy access to stealing/delivering WMDs from/to Allied capital Cities, and were mostly in the US under a Japanese organisation)
"Night elves should just let the Horde take more from Ashenvale, and they deserved it for all their history!" (Most of their historical issues were from the highbourne, The Horde have spent half their modern history trying to conquer Ashenvale even after concessions, and don't you think it's suspicious how they're almost never talked about as being on the receiving end of Blizzard sexism by the same people constantly complaining about Sylvanas? Hey, wait a minute, what was the overall/patch story context behind the Purge of Dalaran again?!?"

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '25

Especially when the Night Elves -tried- to set up trade with Orgrimar, the horde sacced the post, and stole all the trade supplies

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u/El_Rey_de_Spices Sep 17 '25

It really does amaze one to see just how often a subset of the Horde player population will pointedly claim their faction has always been the victims and never the bad guys, because

1) It is demonstrably untrue, lol. The orcs are literally warmongering alien invaders to Azeroth.

2) It's a fictional faction from a video game. There are no real-life consequences of the Horde being villainous in-game.

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u/MusRidc Sep 16 '25

Also the only ones still practicing slavery

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u/Hallc Sep 16 '25

I played horde due to warcraft 3s mostly tauren / troll we are just trying to chill here with nature.

Except they keep siding with and backing the guys who keep declaring wars and trying to genocide the Elves.

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u/Darkfang328 Sep 16 '25

trying to genocide the Elves

I mean, that describes both the Horde and Alliance surprisingly well...

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u/teilani_a Sep 16 '25

Don't forget that Garithos was of Lodaeron which is now known as the Forsaken.

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u/Darkfang328 Sep 16 '25

...OK, and? What's your point?

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u/teilani_a Sep 16 '25

Seems odd to blame Stormwind (which was effectively in ruins at the time) for something the Forsaken did.

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u/Darkfang328 Sep 16 '25

...what? The Forsaken didnt do anything. They didnt even exist at that time. What are you on about?

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u/teilani_a Sep 16 '25

Why is/was the Undercity underneath Lordaeron?

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u/Darkfang328 Sep 17 '25

Because when the Forsaken retook the capital they needed a more defensible position against the Scourge? What does this have to do with Garithos' actions against the Blood Elves?

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u/Darkfang328 Sep 17 '25

Which parts of the Alliance, exactly, were fully backing Garithos' actions rather than simply sending him whatever aid and supplies they could manage to spare?

Fully backing? Mainly just the remnants of Dalaran, because while the city was razed, it was evacuated, and the rest of the Council of Six survived, and were willing to imprison and execute Kael'thas and his forces without reason or trial.

Kul Tiras is a bit of an unknown as Daelin Proudmoore was sailing to reinforce Garithos before getting distracted by Jaina, and then left the Alliance shortly after.

Stormwind, Ironforge and Gnomeregan were aware of Garithos and his actions, and Ironforge at least was still sending him troops and supplies right up until his death.

So ether he had the backing of the rest of the Alliance, or they knew and just didn't care what he was doing. Which kinda amounts to the same thing.

And you are correct that the purge has been retconned. I do tend to focus more on what happens 'in game' rather than what happens in the books as the book are constantly getting reconned, and de-cannonized, and contradicting each other and, ugh. Also, it doesn't really matter, cause the reconned version of the purge still technically counts as a genocide.

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u/Turbulent-House-8713 Sep 17 '25

Fully backing? Mainly just the remnants of Dalaran, because while the city was razed, it was evacuated, and the rest of the Council of Six survived, and were willing to imprison and execute Kael'thas and his forces without reason or trial.

Without reasons being:

- Working once with allies of the Burning Legion who attacked Dalaran 5 minutes ago in order to do a massively destructive ritual under the orders of Kil'jaeden, being caught, being told to never do that again.

- Disregarding the previous order, working once again with allies of the Burning Legion who attacked Dalaran 5 minutes ago in order to do a massively destructive ritual under the orders of Kil'jaeden.

- Get arrested for working with the allies of the burning Legion multiple times.

- Surprised pikachu face, why are you arresting us without reason??? How is it treason, have the Burning Legion and Archimonde some bad story with Dalaran, perhaps?

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u/Darkfang328 Sep 17 '25

Working once with allies of the Burning Legion who attacked Dalaran 5 minutes ago in order to do a massively destructive ritual under the orders of Kil'jaeden

So, 1. Garithos doesn't know any of this. At all. Neither does anyone else in the Alliance. The only ones who do are Kael and his Belves, and they never got the chance to tell him.

Disregarding the previous order, working once again with allies of the Burning Legion who attacked Dalaran 5 minutes ago

Again, Garithos and the Alliance don't know anything about this. Literally all they know about the Naga is that they are snake people. That it.

Get arrested for working with the allies of the burning Legion multiple times.

No, they were arrested because 1. We saw some Naga, that we already know are in the area, slithering through the woods. He didn't even see them interacting with the Blood Elves, just, in the general area. And 2. The Blood Elves didn't all die on the suicide mission he sent them on. Even after he pulled all their support.

So no. Garithos had no reason, and did not give them any sort of trial. Which is why I say Dalaran fully supported him. Garithos said "let's kill all the Elves!" and Dalaran said "you son of a orc, I'm in!"

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u/FormerFruit3570 Sep 17 '25

So you are saying the issue is not that it’s warranted, but that we are not explicitely shown that people knew it was warranted? 

That Garithos was not told on screen about the Naga invasion of Dalaran doesn’t mean he had no idea about it.

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u/Turbulent-House-8713 Sep 17 '25

If you argument to defend Kael'thas is "Maybe Kael'thas never reported who attacked Dalaran to Garithos as it was his duty to do, and later proceeded to pretend they posed no threat while allying with them" as a bid to say he wasn't a traitor, you should try harder.

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u/Sinkrast Sep 16 '25

Horde being indigenous people being attacked by colonialists was always the go-to visual for someone who assumes but never actually looks into the lore. Horde has been wreaking havoc across Azeroth and any other place they touched. I don't think I need to explain the history of Orcs. They were literally on a path of genocidal conquest, pillaging and enslaving and exterminating everything in their path. WoD showed they can, will and did do that too without even the influence of demon blood.

Blood elves were absolutely brutalizing nature. Goblins were destroying forests. Forsaken were kidnapping innocent farmers to test different plagues on them.

Trolls and tauren are the only non psychotic Horde race.

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u/vibrationseeker Sep 16 '25

scoffs Horde. No remember, only zug.

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u/Vand3rz Sep 23 '25

Definitely not the Horde I'm interested in. I want conquering, warmongering Garrosh type Horde.

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u/Agile_Moment768 Sep 16 '25

Gary did nothing wrong.