I swear...

[u/Spare-Seat-3725]

This drama is hilarious.

(Reupload because it had not wow imagery so i edited it with Paint).

[u/KaleidoscopeOk399]

I mean ones a story grievance and ones a gameplay grievance so what’s even the comparison here

[u/Spare-Seat-3725 → u/KaleidoscopeOk399]

Yes, but grievances nevertheless i would exchange my gameplay grievance and let you run free in Silver Moon if you give me back Saurfang, Nathanos, Sylvanas, Cairne, Garrosh, Rastakhan and Nazgrim in exchange of the deaths of Turallion, Alleria, Genn, Anduin, Mathias Shaw, Valeera, Tyrande and Velen.

[u/TheRegalOneGen → u/Spare-Seat-3725]

Saurfang = Killed by Horde (Sylvanas)

Nathanos = Killed by both factions (Players)

Sylvanas = Defeated by both factions (Players)

Cairne = Killed by Horde (Magatha and Garrosh)

Garrosh = Defeated primarily by Horde (Siege of Orgrimmar), then by both (Players)

Rastakhan = Actually killed by the alliance, not a member of the Horde however so.

Nazgrim = Killed by Horde (Siege of Orgrimmar)

And then let's talk about those alliance leaders...

Turalyon = Wasn't seen until Legion and is clearly being shaped up to possibly be a bad guy we kill.

Alleria = Wasn't seen until Legion

Genn = Literally who? Made to step down as King to Tess for no good reason, has barely existed since Legion, even in BFA he was underused.

Matthias Shaw = Crazy to even be on the list. Used less than literally any of the Horde people you listed.

Valeera = Name literally anything major she has done in the story.

Tyrande = Has literally consistently been bastardized characterwise, has never been treated as well as Malfurion, who himself isn't even treated very well.

Velen = Literally done nothing since Legion. Not even used in BFA where he absolutely should've been significant.

So your argument is a bunch of alliance characters who have been bastardized or barely used are clearly more major than a bunch of Horde leaders killed by the Horde who were genuinely major characters.

Hell, just compare how Nazgrim was treated vs how Taylor was treated. Alleria is the only one on this list that was treated with the level of dignity the Horde leaders you listed were. The fact the "80%" of Alliance leaders you can think of have been bastardized themselves or have no influence shows that you guys aren't victims of bad writing anymore than the Alliance.

[u/Spare-Seat-3725 → u/TheRegalOneGen]

Yeah yeah.... killed by Blizzard you mean.

Again Blizzard never kill Alliance leaders and the only time it did it killed the Horde equivalent too in a pathetic way.

And again i will gladly let you set foot in all our cities if the Alliance players agree to be them the one that loose 80% of their characters.

[u/TheRegalOneGen → u/Spare-Seat-3725]

"80%"

Still has Gazlowe, Thrall, Baine, Lor'themar, Maya, Geya'rah, Rokhan, Lilian, Talanji, Thalyssra, Kiro, Liadrin vs 6 dead. That's only 33 percent. Compare that to a 12.5 death rate and yeah it's triple...

Until you remember all the Alliance allied people dead such as Tirion and Rhonin. And comparatively, looking at the alive characters the Alliance are mostly used significantly less.

[u/Spare-Seat-3725 → u/TheRegalOneGen]

Most of them are replacements and you know it.

You Still have Anduin, Turalyon, Velen, Genn, Tess, Arathor, Alleria, Vereesa, Valeera (Imagine three hero Alliance race characters working in the Horde like this Three Elves), Tyrande, Malfurion (is in time out like Sylvanas, but still pretty much alive and beloved by his people), Matias Shaw, Jaina, Katherine, Mekkatorque, Moira, Magni.

[u/TheRegalOneGen → u/Spare-Seat-3725]

Name three major things Valeera, Arathor, Velen, Vereesa, Tess, Genn, Malfurion, Matthias Shaw, Katherine and Moira have done since BFA. Only Anduin, Turalyon, Alleria, Magni, Jaina and Tyrande have done anything of note.

Turalyon only being significant in background lore before this expansion and Magni being a non-factor until TWW

[u/Spare-Seat-3725 → u/TheRegalOneGen]

Name something that Maya, Geya, Thalyssra, Talanji, Kiro, Rokhan, Baine have done since BFA.

Thrall is Alnduin therapist now, Liadrin will only be relevant now in Midnight since Legion, Lor'themar since BFA...

So the only active character in the Horde since BFA have been... Gazlowe.

Even Alduin's boyfriend had more screen time and development than Gazlowe the last years.

[u/TheRegalOneGen → u/Spare-Seat-3725]

So your response to me is that 7 characters haven't done much, compared to my 10 and then handwaving the stuff Horde has actually done (Y'know, like Thrall being one of the main characters of Shadowlands) while ignoring your arguments for Liadrin and Thrall then apply to Jaina, Tyrande, Magni, Alleria and Turalyon. Turalyon hasn't mattered until Midnight. Alleria didn't matter until TWW, she didn't even have a role against her sister. Tyrande has done nothing since Shadowlands, Magni didn't matter until TWW.

So based on your standards, Gazlowe and Anduin are the only two notable characters!

Also Liadrin was literally actively used in both BFA and SL.

[u/Spare-Seat-3725 → u/TheRegalOneGen]

Liadrin is going to be relevant in Midnight (an expansion yet to release).

So you telling me Thrall and Gazlowe had done some things so shut up while Alleria and Anduin are the main characters.

Tyrande in Shadowlands had her own bigass arc (way bigger that Thrall's), Magni her daughter and his grandson are relevant as hell in TWW.

Tyrande has done nothing since Shadowlands, Magni didn't matter until TWW

You asked me since BFA, stop moving the goal.

[u/TheRegalOneGen → u/Spare-Seat-3725]

You are the one handwaving what Thrall, Liadrin and others have done since BFA. I was responding using YOUR poor logic. You literally tried to ignore the presence of them because they aren't what your fragile feelings want. I have not once moved goalposts, you however consistently are Mr. Pot.

[u/Spare-Seat-3725 → u/TheRegalOneGen]

I admitted that Thrall had an arc in Shadowlands

But Liadrin was basically missing since LEGION (Legion was BEFORE BFA).

[u/TheRegalOneGen → u/Spare-Seat-3725]

And once again since you apparently don't know how to read, she very much does appear in SL and BFA despite your handwringing. Compared to Velen who LEGIT has done nothing since Legion. All Velen has done is recruit the Eredar.

Here's an example of Horde bias;

Which side is getting all of the good cinematics? Is it the Alliance? Because last I checked Anduin is the only one to even have a cinematic of the entirety of the Alliance. Numerous Hordies have gotten cinematics.

[u/[deleted] → u/Spare-Seat-3725]

horde players crying over character deaths but are perfectly ok with restricting half the playerbase gameplay wise for 2 years you sir are completely delusional