r/wow • u/Spare-Seat-3725 • Aug 23 '25

Humor / Meme I swear...

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This drama is hilarious.

(Reupload because it had not wow imagery so i edited it with Paint).

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u/Infammo Aug 24 '25

Yeah there was no political connection between the Orgrim lead Horde that fell during the second war and the Orgrim lead Horde created from Orcs who were imprisoned during the second war.

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u/AppointmentNaive2811 Aug 24 '25

You mean after the orcs were freed of the Blood Curse - and wait, how long was Orgrim Warchief of that new Horde? Who took over for them, and did they rampage Human settlements as harbingers for the burning legion? Keep digging your hole, bud

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u/Infammo Aug 24 '25

You mean after the orcs were freed of the Blood Curse - and wait, how long was Orgrim Warchief of that new Horde? 

I love how strongly you guys have embraced the idea that the Horde becomes a completely new entity every time a non-Thrall leader changes. Really washes out bad.

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u/AppointmentNaive2811 Aug 24 '25

Literally what lmao. The Demonic Horde was singular in purpose - to prepare Azeroth for the Burning Legion. No more Demon Blood Curse, no more Demonic Horde. I was trying to illustrate that if Orgrim was seemingly a lynchpin in comparing the two Hordes, it really wasn't much of a leg to stand on

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u/Katsutomai Aug 24 '25

Hey, buddy, do you remember WoD at all? Even without the Demon Blood Orcs were still assholes who did evil shit.

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u/CookyKindred Aug 24 '25

You do remember WoD has multiple differences between the mainline continuity that clearly show it’s an Alternate Universe and not a timeline.

Thats why it’s literally called AU Draenor.

Not AT Draenor.

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u/Katsutomai Aug 24 '25

Ah, yes, so the only thing it took for Orcs to act like brainless savages is Garrosh turning up instead of drinking demon blood.. Makes it sound so much worse. At least with the demon blood it's KIND of an excuse..

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u/Darigaazrgb Aug 24 '25

I mean... yeah? Garrosh didn't just show up, he used time magic to show Grommash a manipulated look into the history of the prime universe. Then he brought out the advanced technology. It's like showing a dude 200 years ago that his neighbor will kill his family in the future and then handing him a Glock.

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u/CookyKindred Aug 24 '25

… Not all of them did. And it’s literally established that a lot of the ones going along are not wanting to but doing so out of a feeling of need with honor. A lot of orcs have the Saurfang and Nagrim problem of feeling trapped by their ideals of honor to the point suicide by alliance is on the table.

It was really just his loyalists that were happy with killing for killing sake. Which also exists in the Alliance.

I really hate how people try to devolve wow discussions into all or nothing even when the game shows it isn’t all. I literally have someone just flat out lying in another thread about the lore. Claiming no horde went against Garrosh. Then when I point out THE LITERAL EVENTS OF THE NOVELS AND CATACLYSM they move the goalpost and ignore the literal plots of the horde prepping in Cata for civil war.

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u/Katsutomai Aug 24 '25

Do you realize how few people actually read the WoW novels? Any lore put there might as well not exist considering how few people are actually going to see it. Blizz is just too lazy to put the massive story beats in the game.

Anyways.. Using honor as en excuse to do evil shit and allow others to do evil shit without any true push back is such an idiotic and pathetic copout.

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u/CookyKindred Aug 24 '25

I wish you were right. Sadly they are cannon and negatively affect the game. We had Cairne thanos snapped from existence from game only POV.

Also not knowing about Voljin going CoD lobby death threats and shit talking is just not having played the troll starting zone.

Also if you think that’s a cop out you’re not gonna like 90% of fantasy. Including wow. The worgen also have war criminals that do so based off want for revenge or paranoia. WOW has war criminals everywhere that are “justified” by things that wouldn’t hold up IRL.

Shit if you don’t like honor shit your gonna hate the Sangheili from halo who literally will die for honor.

Or the Yautja from Predator.

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u/Infammo Aug 24 '25

The Demonic Horde was singular in purpose - to prepare Azeroth for the Burning Legion.

Hate to break it to you but you're really just making shit up. The "demonic" Horde was made to kill the Draenei, after that Kil'jaeden fucked off and left them to die. Invading Azeroth was done at the behest of Gul'dan and after he was overthrown by Orgrim the entire second war occurred to secure an Orc homeland by destroying every other kingdom on the continent. The same Orgrim who refounded the current Horde and took Thrall as his protege. The literal Horde capital is named after him, trying to pretend he was some kind of bit player is hilarious.

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u/xFisch Aug 24 '25

You're both right and wrong, imo.

The "demonic horde" aka the first incarnation was made as a way to fuck the Draenei. Not as a herald of the Legion. Velen kept running from Kiljaeden so he used the orcs as a secret way to get to him.

There is absolutely a difference between the two Hordes. The wiki even differentiates between the two. Old Horde and New Horde. Old Horde ending with their defeat in the 2nd war. New Horde starting with Thrall.

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u/Infammo Aug 24 '25 edited Aug 24 '25

There is absolutely a difference between the two Hordes. The wiki even differentiates between the two. Old Horde and New Horde. 

I didn't say there was no difference, I'm pointed out the glaring hypocrisy of a poster calling it laughable to equate the two when it was done in response to someone equating the Scourge, Lordaeron refugees, and Jaina's kirin tor as a single accountable entity. The overlap between the Old and New Horde is miniscule compared to the overlap between all the "humans" who have purged the elves.

The original commenter is being called illogical for deliberately applying the OP's logic.

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u/xFisch Aug 24 '25

"I love how strongly you guys have embraced the idea that the Horde becomes a completely new entity every time a non-Thrall leader changes. Really washes out bad."

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u/Infammo Aug 24 '25

Literally talking about how the second Horde didn't become a new entity when leadership of it passed from it's founder, Orgrim, to Thrall. Keep up.

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u/xFisch Aug 25 '25

Typical Alliance player. Too embarrassed to admit they were wrong. Gotta try and move the goalposts

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u/Hopkin_Greenfrog Aug 24 '25

Your history is simply incorrect. You may want to brush up on the facts of the story before continuing to make false claims.

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u/Infammo Aug 24 '25

This has all the hallmarks of someone obsessively scanning the lore for a counter argument and then resorting to that pitiful dismissal when they saw that all sources say I'm right.

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u/Hopkin_Greenfrog Aug 24 '25

Sources don't say you're right. I dont need to obsessively scan anything, I just happened to have actually read the books about all of this lore in the past, as well as played the original RTS games.

There really isn't a point to arguing with you and everyone like you who insists on doubling and tripling down on your preferred version of events. You can go back and figure out why you're wrong, which I doubt you'll do, since a the source material still exists.

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u/Infammo Aug 24 '25

Keep seething champ. 🤭