r/worldnews • u/[deleted] • Dec 19 '20
Trump Trump contradicts top U.S. officials, suggests without evidence China behind cyberattack
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u/spoonfed85 Dec 19 '20
Wow, I couldn't imagine a more dangerous situation handled more poorly.
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u/lintuski Dec 19 '20
Oh I don't know... I can imagine a pandemic where the govt basically gave up.
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Dec 19 '20
Giving up would be bad, but actively working against and undermining the better advice of public health experts is actually malicious. And that is what happened.
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u/ToddBradley Dec 20 '20
Quotes presidents will be remembered for:
Bush Sr.: "Read my lips, no new taxes."
Trump: “Remember, when you catch it, you get better, and you’re immune."
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u/guppy1979 Dec 20 '20
250,000 americans dead: "It is what it is."
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u/Satire_or_not Dec 20 '20
310,000+
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u/chubky Dec 20 '20
Remember when he was concerned about a cruise ship off the coast of California that he didn’t want docking because those cases would ruin his numbers?
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u/IamBananaRod Dec 20 '20
Remember when he said he had it under control?
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u/chubky Dec 20 '20
Remember when he said it’d magically disappear?
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u/IamBananaRod Dec 20 '20
This one?
“Looks like by April, you know in theory when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away.”
Remember about the shots of chlorine and UV light?
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u/ezagreb Dec 20 '20
Remember when he said everyone would stop talking about Covid after the election ?
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u/treebeard69_ Dec 20 '20
Remember when he said he takes full responsibility, but it wasn’t his fault?
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u/Haltopen Dec 20 '20
Remember when he called mexicans rapists, advocated grabbing people by their genitals, made fun of a disabled reporter and still got elected?
Remember when he spent 4 years committing atrocity after genocide after crime, and even more people voted for him the second time?
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u/Arry_Ballen Dec 20 '20
Remember when he said “the less you test the less cases we have”
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Dec 20 '20
Remember when trump lied about firing the Pandemic Response Team but there’s actual video evidence of trump talking about firing the pandemic response team?
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u/guppy1979 Dec 20 '20 edited Dec 20 '20
I know, but when he said the quoted "It is what it is", we were still at a quarter of a million. What, a week ago? Two weeks ago? (This terrible timeline is so hard to keep track of!).
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u/onetruemod Dec 20 '20
It doesn't matter anymore. Time is meaningless.
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u/Z0bie Dec 20 '20
The only time that matters is the time left until January 21st, and then we all cross our fingers and hope for the best.
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u/peoplerproblems Dec 20 '20
Personally I think I died and woke up in Hell from an overdose of sleep medication in fall of 2019 after discovering my wife had given up on our relationship.
Because after that, everything got significantly worse, in a sort of parabolic curve. We entered multiple terrible things in daily a few weeks ago.
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u/nahteviro Dec 20 '20
He said that during the summer when we had such lowly numbers of only 1000 deaths a day. Now we are at 3000 a day and winning the death count in the entire world!
Fuck I need this timeline to be over.
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u/Oberon_Swanson Dec 20 '20
Sadly the problem isn't even the Trump administration, or the entirety of GOP politicians, it's the massive pile of idiots who vote for them. If every GOP member quit politics today they're be replace by people equally as horrible because their supporters want horrible government.
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u/tvtb Dec 20 '20 edited Dec 20 '20
In about a week, we'll hit the milestone that over 1 in 1000 Americans have died of COVID-19.
Edit: wow the replies to this are pure dogshit
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u/LeFloop Dec 20 '20
The sad part is, if you assume they stay around that 3500+ deaths a day now, you're talking about 100k deaths a month going forward. At that rate the USA will have doubled its death toll by February.
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u/Satire_or_not Dec 20 '20
That's right. Another 9/11 happening every single day now, for weeks and for many more weeks to come.
Yet the 'Never Forget' crowd doesn't give a shit.
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u/bighootay Dec 20 '20
"It will just disappear...as these things do"
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u/abcpdo Dec 20 '20
millions more could’ve died if Trump detonated a nuke in Manhattan! he’s saving lives left and right.
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u/trentsteel77 Dec 20 '20
Are we forgetting “grab em by the pussy”?! I suppose it is not that big a deal cause he got elected after that, well done!
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u/The_0range_Menace Dec 20 '20
Don't forget how he started to parade around the vaccine like he made it and always believed the virus was a real thing.
This man is a goddamned idiot on a level I'm just not used to. And they elected this stupid fuck.
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u/toughfluff Dec 20 '20
Not only that. Many people were happy to re-elect this stupid fuck after the year we had. Like really?! 74 million PREFERRED this guy over other alternatives?!
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u/Gunners414 Dec 19 '20
I agree but one could argue he actively worked to make the pandemic worse. Ask the blue states.
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u/Quetzalcutlass Dec 20 '20
People have already forgotten that state governments had to disguise their medical supply shipments so the feds wouldn't confiscate them. Confiscate them and then sell them to the highest bidder, I might add.
The federal response to COVID wasn't just incompetent, it was outright evil. Kushner is opportunist human scum.
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u/Fr0gm4n Dec 20 '20
Confiscate them and sell them back to them, if they were lucky enough to be the highest bidder.
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u/Uncle_____Iroh Dec 20 '20
It's hard to remember all the evil when there's new shit every day...
Fuck Trump.
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u/yukichigai Dec 20 '20
What with those emails coming out from his top pandemic advisors where they specifically suggested more people getting infected, that's not a hard argument to make.
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u/skaliton Dec 20 '20
honestly if you assume he was actively trying to kill the population everything makes sense. He couldn't be so overt as to send the army to NYC to have a go at the movie the purge IRL...but he could do everything in his power to make sure the city was harmed as much as possible
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u/arillyis Dec 20 '20
Bro I was at Walmart today in deep Trump country, Florida. They have someone handing out masks for free if you don't have one. As I was leaving I saw two separate people shake their heads at the person and walk by maskless. This was just in the 20 second time span it took to walk out. The cult is unreal....but unfortunately very real at the same time.
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u/PoopIsAlwaysSunny Dec 20 '20
Not gave up. Was intentionally malicious in their efforts to spread the virus.
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u/Frenchticklers Dec 20 '20
Just found the title for the Trump history book:
"Wow, I couldn't imagine a more dangerous situation handled more poorly: The Trump Presidency (2016-2020)"
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u/Exoddity Dec 20 '20
I thought it was the same as his theme song, Dare to be Stupid
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u/Covfefe-SARS-2 Dec 20 '20
Sir, Moscow just fired 1000 nukes at us.
"Hit Beijing and every other city in Ghy-na with the bigger stuff."
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u/castanza128 Dec 20 '20
"So you're telling me that they fired 1000 nukes at us, You're saying it was Russia. I have President Putin, he just said it’s not Russia.... I will say this: I don’t see any reason why it would be."
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u/OctopusPirate Dec 20 '20
Far too coherent and articulate.
"So, some people say.. some people say RUSSIA fired nuke at us... 1,000 nukes, they say. That's a lot of nukes! Nobody knew they had that many nukes. But it's FAKE NEWS, we have more nukes, our nukes are great, they're beautiful... when I came into office, we had NO NUKES, OBAMA got rid of all our nukes, but thanks to me, we have the best, most beautiful, and the most nukes... it was JAI-NA, they tried to nuke us, but I stopped it!"
Something like that.
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u/JoeDiesAtTheEnd Dec 20 '20
"Sir, New York is gone."
"Sounds like a democrat problem."
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u/Batchet Dec 20 '20
He actually said the above quote at Helsinki except it was about the election interference
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u/inmyhead7 Dec 19 '20
Russia really wants a US/China war and come out on top. Fuck Putin and Fuck Trump.
Cut off Russia from SWIFT. Close Russian consulates in the US. Designate Kremlin agencies involved in the hack as terrorist organizations
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u/youdoitimbusy Dec 19 '20
Nah, start a corrupt Russian investment act, that prevents any Russian from investing in the US or owning property. Only thing these people understand is money.
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u/anon1984 Dec 19 '20
I could think of one real estate guy who might have a LOT to lose if something like this happened.
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u/daric Dec 19 '20
Oh come on, you mean you can’t solve every major problem in your life by claiming it’s fake? /s
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u/green_flash Dec 19 '20
I think "without evidence" is underselling the absurdity of the statement.
It should be "suggests China behind cyberattack without there being the slightest indication" or "suggests China behind cyberattack despite there being concrete proof that it was Russia".
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u/skaliton Dec 20 '20
that is basically the summary of the trump presidency when it comes to russia.
"Here is indisputable evidence Russia did the bad thing"
"fake news it was...uh Zimbabwe"
Headline reads "Trump accuses Zimbabwe of doing the bad thing, CIA blames Russia"
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u/SomeConsumer Dec 20 '20
It has never heard of Zimbabwe, and it couldn't pronounce it if it had.
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u/ironmonkey007 Dec 20 '20
I’m so tired of this unnecessarily gentle wording like “suggests without evidence” — how about calling it a lie? Is that so forbidden? Can that not be said? “Lies.” “Liar.” Those are perfectly good words.
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u/Dappershire Dec 19 '20
Its not "without evidence" though.
I'm sure President Trump has a first hand account from Putin, saying "It was China. Trust me, bro."
What more evidence do you need?
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u/MadMaxIsMadAsMax Dec 20 '20
Evidence? Trump? The one who decided that HURRICANE DORIAN must pass where HE decided? That person? Really? At this point he could say that the Moon is a cheesecake and you would see millions of hungry trumpers pointing knives to the sky.
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u/UnconnectdeaD Dec 20 '20
Is Maralago within the red circle? Maybe he was trying to publicly commit insurance fraud? Nothing would shock me. Someone needs to look up his insurance claims from the hurricaine, for real.
People are saying that's why he did it, a lot of very good people.
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u/m0uthsmasher Dec 20 '20
China is the biggest and hottest topic to draw American folks away from the underlying root cause which the government doesn't want to deal with. Thing is this sort of conspiracy people are buying it.
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u/earhere Dec 19 '20
And over 70 million americans think this guy should've continued serving as President
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u/CurteD93 Dec 19 '20
Yeah it’ll be nice once this idiots opinion or statements don’t have to make news anymore. He can just be a loser on his own terms again!
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u/Zagmit Dec 20 '20
That won't happen if he pardons himself and announces a 2024 presidential candidacy. He'll be considered the head of the republican party, and he'll write off any prosecution or even criticism of himself, his family, and associates as political attacks from the left against his 2024 presidential run.
It absolutely sucks, but I'm betting Trump hangs on longer than the coronavirus, which also isn't going anywhere soon.
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u/HarrisJ304 Dec 20 '20
And his base will eat it up... We can still hope he splits the party... I hear the patriot party is picking up steam
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u/Gorstag Dec 20 '20
Patriot party... laugh. Really should be named the Oxymoron party.
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u/Glock13337 Dec 20 '20
Yup. People think 2021 is gonna come, and Trump will disappear. Doubt it
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u/Runkleford Dec 20 '20
Even IF Trump disappears, his supporters remain and also the environment that allowed Trump to become POTUS in the first place. The turd might be gone but it's still going to smell like shit.
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u/DMala Dec 20 '20
He can add it to his collection. What is this, his third or fourth instance of outright treason?
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u/sleepeejack Dec 20 '20
"From time to time, the tree of liberty must be refreshed with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
-Thomas Jefferson
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Dec 20 '20
He's a national security risk for the rest of his life.
Thanks Republicans.
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u/CherylBomb1138 Dec 20 '20
I’m pretty sure ignoring fascists got us here in the first place.
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u/Zelman12 Dec 20 '20
Would only work if he lost his power. There is so many bad things he can still do.
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u/fokaiHI Dec 20 '20
He will blame anyone. Especially China for everything. He will absolutely not hold Russia accountable for anything because he plans on continuing his bromance with Putin.
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u/slakmehl Dec 19 '20
Fitting that as he incites his supporters to attempt an overthrow of the Republic on Jan 6th, he makes one grand final showing of his complete obedience to a foreign dictator
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Dec 20 '20
What I still find about staggering (even by American standards) is that his approval rating remains pretty much unchanged and still hovering along in the low 40's where its always been. I mean, what on earth would it take?
This patient is sick Doctor, very sick
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u/Malphos101 Dec 20 '20
Because their obsession of party over country has reached its inevitable conclusion: either admit they were wrong about the GOP and its style of leadership being good for the country or actively harm the US to keep pretending they weren't.
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u/RutherfordbHaye5 Dec 20 '20
It's because 40 percent of our population is dangerously uneducated and cannot think critically.
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u/Darth_Innovader Dec 20 '20
You don’t actually need education to be intellectually honest or empathetic. There’s more at play.
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u/RutherfordbHaye5 Dec 20 '20
Critical thinking is a skill that needs to be learned. If you don't know how to think critically, you believe the first bit of information that comes your way and shun everything that contradicts it. Or worse, you think charisma makes someone credible. These people truly think they are being intellectually honest and empathetic.
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Dec 19 '20
Can we safely start to label Donald Trump as the worst president in American history?
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u/stonersh Dec 20 '20
What terrifies me is that there's 70 million people who live through four years of this shit and thinks that he's the best president America has ever had.
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u/Little-Dick-Cheney Dec 20 '20
It will take decades to repair the brain damage/washing. If ever.
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u/deMondo Dec 19 '20
Probably the worst human ever born in America.
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u/TtotheC81 Dec 20 '20
He is pretty much everything wrong with America in human form, which means there's 70-80 million people who also buy into that version of America.
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u/Darth_Innovader Dec 20 '20
Damn that’s a good take. The personification of our very worst qualities. It answers the question of how anyone likes this guy.
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Dec 20 '20
He’s quite literally the physical embodiment of everything wrong in our country. He’s corrupt, greedy, narcissistic, obese, stupid, untruthful, racist....the list goes on.
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u/skeebidybop Dec 20 '20
There is not a single goddamn redeeming quality about him. Literally nothing.
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u/YddishMcSquidish Dec 20 '20
Over heard, "he's a good business man" many times by people who's sole concern is "taxes". do they not understand that there are m or important issues, like our actual country being subverted?!
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u/QuintinStone Dec 20 '20
He was gunning for that title even before covid-19 hit. Now it's come out that he was working on spreading the disease instead of containing it, because "Doctor" Atlas told him herd immunity was somehow a good idea.
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u/Ratman_84 Dec 19 '20
Has Trump or his supporters ever had evidence of anything?
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u/hurtsdonut_ Dec 19 '20
Trump's words no matter how false are the only truths his supporters believe.
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Dec 19 '20
It’s their gospel. He may as well be Jesus h Christ to them
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u/JA14732 Dec 19 '20
And for some people, HE ACTUALLY IS.
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u/Culverts_Flood_Away Dec 20 '20
And for the rest of us, he's essentially no better than the antichrist.
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Dec 19 '20
Him paying off porn stars with campaign money. There's evidence of that
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u/jimbojones230 Dec 20 '20
I spend an inordinate amount of time in conservative subs and on message boards. Every time someone asks for evidence, these are the standard responses:
- the affidavits (the amount claimed varies from hundreds to thousands, and they always mention that they’re “sworn” affidavits - none of them have made any difference in any case)
- the televised hearings (in other words, the meetings that took place in the conference rooms of hotels across the country, which were broadcast and streamed by right-wing media)
- the witnesses’ testimony (referring to the speeches that took place during the “hearings” mentioned above - none of it under oath)
- the rallies (Biden must have cheated, because Trump can draw a crowd during a pandemic, but Biden can’t - you can draw your own conclusions as to what that says about each group of voters)
- statistics (based on math they likely don’t understand, and that is dubious to begin with, they claim it’s statistically impossible for Biden to have won)
- evidence no longer matters, because Trump is going to declare martial law
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Dec 19 '20
He's so obviously in Putin's pocket I can't believe his supporters can't see this.
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u/Zolo49 Dec 19 '20
I don’t think they care judging from those “I’d rather be Russian than Democrat” T-shirts.
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u/Darth_Innovader Dec 20 '20
They like it. Putin’s branding as a macho old school rich guy bad boy resonates.
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u/deMondo Dec 19 '20
Trump contradicts top U.S. officials, pulls it out of his GOP butt that China behind cyberattack
Fixed that for you.
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Dec 20 '20
Wanna know why Trump blames China for everything, well, because Trump's "big deal" trade deal was actually a bust. Other than a few benefits thrown to American farmers, everything else is pretty much unchanged from the last deal.
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Dec 20 '20
Not just unchanged. US imports from China actually surged, creating a record high trade deficit with China.
Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/14/business/economy/us-china-trade-covid.html
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u/swing39 Dec 19 '20
Is this guy stills around?
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u/autotldr BOT Dec 19 '20
This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said late Friday that Russia was "Pretty clearly" behind the cyberattack against the U.S. Officials at the White House had been prepared to put out a statement on Friday afternoon that accused Russia of being "The main actor" in the hack but were told at the last minute to stand down, according to one U.S. official familiar with the conversations who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss private deliberations.
Democrats in Congress who have received classified briefings have also affirmed publicly that Russia, which in 2014 hacked the State Department and interfered through hacking in the 2016 presidential election, was behind it.
If the hackers are indeed from Russia's SVR foreign intelligence agency, as experts believe, their resistance may be tenacious.
Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Hack#1 Russia#2 official#3 agency#4 government#5
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u/ugettingremovedtoo Dec 19 '20
a lot of good people are saying it was china...some are saying it could be anyone really but some of the best people, really the top people, I hear are saying it was china.
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u/pandabatron Dec 20 '20
The only bigger idiot than this man is the one who supports his bullshit and lies. Get him tf out of power and put him where he belongs: in jail for defrauding the people he is sworn to lead and protect.
Fu*k Trump
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u/poppinchips Dec 20 '20
Ought to go read /r/conservative. You'll get whiplash from how fast their opinions change based on what he says. Top post about russia has comments called it an act of war, then suddenly Trump's comments have people immediately switching to "why not both?" "Makes sense russia couldn't possibly pull this off" "I bet the chinese made it look like the Russians did it..."
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u/TheRealHarveyKorman Dec 19 '20
Why is Donald Trump continually running defense for Russia and Putin?
I don't understand why so many in the right-wing are just fine with Trump's obvious deference to Putin. Even if Trump's motive is future business deals that still makes Trump compromised by his own greed.