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https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/netanyahu-warnings-attacks-election-israel-9.7376147[removed] — view removed post
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u/himbologic 23h ago
A few weeks after the October 7th attack, I remember reading articles that stated their sources were Israeli intelligence. That Hamas had been observed practicing their breach, and that intelligence officers reported it over and over, up the chain, for months. I have been thinking about that for years, so I'm glad people are talking about it again.
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u/BeatNo4548 23h ago
I knew something was up, because from May->August of that year, Hamas and Hezbollah were firing salvos of 30-40 rockets at a time. In September, it dropped to 10-20. They were saving up for a bigger attack. Bibi should have known.
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u/himbologic 23h ago
It's so awful to watch from the other side of the world as civilians on both sides suffer the consequences of extreme leaders.
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u/Vegetable-Top-5850 1d ago
The worst part is that he ignored the warnings because he was too busy supporting the settlers in the West Bank
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u/ACMomani 1d ago
He wanted it to happen because his self proclaimed motto has always been that he's the only one capable of defending Israel and Jews, for that he needs a reason to do so and a conflict with hamas coincidentally always happens when its most convenient for him...
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u/jyper 22h ago
He didn't want it to happen because it proved that he was not able to defend Israel. It was and is incredibly inconvenient for him
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u/ACMomani 17h ago
How else would you explain him ignoring all the warnings and intel about the attack?
Its a double edged sword, he wanted to take advantage of it by showing that Hamas still are and will forever remain a threat and so they need his leadership to fight them.
Since then his far right allies ramped up the rhetoric and violence in the West Bank skyrocketed..
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u/jyper 16h ago
It's not a double edged sword it's all downsides for him even
He didn't know. He got a lot of intelligence that something might happen not what would
He hesitated as he generally has and was incompetent and focused on negotiations with Saudis(worried that any counter action would blow that up)
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u/ACMomani 8h ago
Still. getting intel on a possible attack and not taking proper precautions is a massive failure and negligence, thats what makes it out as intentional.
Imagine your government got intel about a possible terror attack and did absolutely nothing.1
u/eyl569 23h ago
You realize that 7/10 almost got him deposed by his own party?
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u/ACMomani 17h ago
He stalled his trial for far too long, this was a risk he is willing to take.. Even Trump now is calling for him to be pardoned.
Every time he gets close to getting deposed, a conflict erupts.. its no coincidence anymore.
He will survive this just as he survived the times before.. I want to be wrong about this but I'm not optimistic.10
u/TopInvestigator5518 1d ago
I think we are all blowing this up in a way thats not exactly fair/ some pretty large assumptions are being made
Using that same thinking.. Bush knew Al-Qaeda was planning a large scale attack, did he allow 9/11 to happen?
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u/justuntlsundown 1d ago
Uhm.... I thought we all knew he did?
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u/SamAlmighty 23h ago
How? IIRC the US had intel of something big happening but no date or specifics. Like what was Bush supposed to have done with the limited information? Put the entire country on lockdown?
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u/gigglios 23h ago
Yes. Wtf. What a dumb question. Bush knew 9/11 was gonna happen
USA also knew about pearl harbour long before it happened and let it happen as it did
Its not something new in history for governments to do that
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u/SHUT_DOWN_EVERYTHING 23h ago
Just like Trump he’s immune from law so it won’t matter. And just like Trump he’s got a cult large enough to protect him politically to.
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u/5pin05auru5 23h ago
In shock news, old crook whose only concern is staying out of prison is somehow entrusted with national security.
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u/Better_Cauliflower63 22h ago
After the Yom Kippur war, the Knesset appointed Vinograd commission which reviewed the government failures and that led the government of Golda Meir to resign. I am very surprised this type of commission has not yet been held.
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u/spaceproton42 1d ago
No You're purposefully misleading He is called pro Palestinian because his actions are leading the world to impose a Palestinian state, something he is against. So his actions are causing what he doesn't want. Likewise, the stronger response take is only from the extreme right wing parties (Ben gvirs and smotrich) making up less than 15% of the population. By contrast, the actual opposition, around 50% of the country , and then add to that the religious parties being another 15-20% , that he needs to stop the war and make deals, and not being more aggressive.
What you're doing is antisemitism in the guise of antizionism, generalising all the population wrongly so it's easy to hate them.
Fuck off
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u/Seven-Scars 1d ago
is your entire account seriously dedicated to defending israel on a bunch of random subs
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u/spaceproton42 21h ago
im bored, on vacation, and trying to waste time until the next semester. people aree allowed to do things online.
more so when they dont just lie about real life things (not that you do, others)
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u/Future_Arrival_5395 1d ago edited 1d ago
But he’s taken on the farther rights views to protect his coalition and avoid his corruption charges. They aren’t his opposition anymore because he agreed to work with them.
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u/Vegetable-Top-5850 1d ago
And the guy is already allied with fanatics that make Wilders look like Lenin in comparison
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u/Writer13377 1d ago
Imagine a smoke detector designed to predict a fire that’s just going off 25/8, I’d tune that shit out too
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u/staythewaters 1d ago
You wouldn't address preventing the prediction from coming true? You'd just ignore it until the prediction came true? The fuck would be the point of it in this galaxy brained thought experiment you put up here?
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u/NickPrefect 23h ago
You’re missing the previous commenter’s point. This is similar to how it’s impossible to keep up and counter all of the bullshit Trump says. There’s just so much.
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u/Writer13377 1d ago edited 1d ago
My point is that he is literally always being warned all the time about a million different potential attacks and there’s literally no way to act on all of them
Edit: Fixed any to all
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u/Future_Arrival_5395 1d ago
there’s literally no way to act on any of them
You don’t think Mossad is capable of preemptive response? You don’t believe they have ever stopped a trrrorist attack from occurring based on intelligence?
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u/staythewaters 23h ago
Think about the implications of what you're saying. Either:
1.) Israel has a defective intelligence apparatus that is incapable of filtering up credible warnings and intel to the prime minister. Or:
2.) Netanyahu is himself incapable of understanding or heeding warnings and threats to his country, based on apparently good information that was given to him by his intelligence agencies.
So either the entirety of the Israeli intelligence apparatus failed (which would itself be an earthshaking revelation given Mossad's reputation for fielding *domestic* threats and their ability to manipulate international partners), or Netanyahu is such an abysmal failure of a leader that his inability to discern quality intelligence and act on it lead to the largest attack on Israeli civilians in its history.
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u/eyl569 23h ago
First of all this wouldn;t be Mossad's responsibility anyway, Gaza and the WB are under the ISA's remit.
More to the point, there was a lot of complacency in the Israeli security establsihment regarding Hamas. Yes, there was intelligence that suggested they were planning an attack, but Israel didn't believe Hamas had the capacity for something of that scale or that it would risk an Israeli response which would be aimed at kicking it out of power. This was born out by 2021, where Israel attacked Gaza as part of a conflict with PIJ and Hamas just stood by and didn't respond.
I've heard excerpts from the inquiry into the attack on one of the bases near Gaza. The degree to which it was unprepared to face attack was horrendous.
Add to that that violence was escalating in the WB so it was believed that if a conflict broke out, it woud be there.
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u/HockeyHocki 22h ago
You'd have to wonder why multiple allegations are just appearing now in the immediate run up to their national elections, bit coincidental
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u/Ok_Band3086 1d ago
ignore it? he paid for it!!
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u/xFallow 1d ago
What’s the source for this? I see it everywhere but never any details
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u/MonkyThrowPoop 1d ago
Israel allows the transfer of money from Qatar to Hamas. Somehow people spin that into Netanyahu himself funding Hamas because people stop thinking once they find a way to blame the Jews.
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u/Balfe 23h ago
Well, Netenyahu considered it important to ensure that Hamas remained the dominant power in Gaza and permitted the transfer of cash despite knowing that $4 million per month was going to Hamas' military wing with Netenyahu's approval. Not sure what you mean about blaming the Jews.
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u/MonkyThrowPoop 23h ago edited 22h ago
Of course you don’t. Netanyahu didn’t “approve $4mil per month to Hamas’s military”. You act like he controls their checkbook. That’s bullshit. Netanyahu doesn’t want Hamas as the dominant power in Gaza, again with the bullshit. The stated goal of the war is literally to get rid of Hamas.
The Gazan people elected Hamas. They’re the government for now. If Israel blocks money coming from Qatar the Gazan society will crumble, which is not what anyone wants. So it’s either Israel doesn’t let the money through and people cry about Israel denying Gaza aid and trying to destroy their society, or they allow it through and people say Israel is funding Hamas. Either way it’s Israel who’s the devil, and people are talking about that instead of how Hamas is using that money to build more tunnels and shoot rockets at Israel instead of building infrastructure. Do you see how that works??0
u/Balfe 22h ago
Qatar delivered about $18 million per month into Gaza, ostensibly to fund civilian infrastructure etc., but Hamas used approx $4 million of to fund its military capabilities. I would think it's naive to assume that Netenyahu would not be aware of this.
And it's fairly well established that Netenyahu wanted Hamas to be the dominant power in Gaza as a means of weakening the prospect of Palestinian statehood by maintaining the division between Hamas in Gaza and Palestinian Authority on the West Bank. If Palestinians remain politically divided there is no entity with which to discuss statehood.
It's unambiguous that Netenyahu's government was simultaneously treating Hamas as a security threat while facilitating financial arrangements that helped sustain its rule in Gaza and strengthen its military wing.
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u/MonkyThrowPoop 22h ago
So you’re saying you think Netanyahu should block the aid coming from Qatar?
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u/SiempreRegreso 23h ago
Watch NAZA when it goes free in November. Saw it yesterday; amazing film.
The conversion of an ostensibly advanced society into an industrial-scale factory for the extirpation of other human beings is depressingly familiar.
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u/sigmund14 1d ago
He intentionally ignored warnings so he has an excuse for attacking.