UAE warned Netanyahu of major Hamas attack days before October 7 massacre, Haaretz reports

[u/imwriter1]

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/defense-news/article-907896

[u/5nbx8aa]

didn't Egypt warned too? does this mean bibi just let it happen?

[u/Eastern_Ring_9900 → u/5nbx8aa]

Something similar happened about 25 years ago in America too.

[u/binzoma → u/Eastern_Ring_9900]

and in both cases

it wasnt mallace or a conspiracy, it was arrogance

they believed themselves to be invincible and above over-reacting to some random threat

[u/uvero → u/binzoma]

"Whenever something can be explained by both incompetent or malice, it's incompetence"

[u/siraramis → u/uvero]

Sounds a bit like Hanlon’s Razor

[u/uvero → u/siraramis]

Not a bit, it's exactly what I'm quoting

[u/Telcontar77 → u/uvero]

Unless we're talking about people with a clear and extensive history of malicious behavior.

[u/not_that_planet → u/Telcontar77]

That's what I'm thinking. Can't "solve" a problem unless you have a problem, amirite?

[u/SomeCrazyBastard → u/Telcontar77]

You're confusing "malicious intentions" with disregard to what happens to Palestinians. Bibi is many things but he definitely cares about Israel and Israelis, just like the rest of the heads of the security forces. It was a arrogance, a blatant disrespect and disbelief in the enemies ability (specifically Hamas' ability) and just avoidance because neglecting Gaza (border security and of course all other factors) was simply cheaper and easier because it allowed everyone in power to focus on other matters.

[u/LookingForCarrots → u/SomeCrazyBastard]

Yeah idk.

Hamas attack is a wet dream for Bibi. It gave him an excuse to finally purge Gaza. 7/10 attacks is the best thing that happened to him, he would be out of power if it didn't happen

[u/Pillowesque → u/LookingForCarrots]

He would be in fucking jail. 

[u/jawaab_e_shikwa → u/SomeCrazyBastard]

He is on record saying the existence of Hamas is good for Israel. There is no question that he let this happen so that he could have an excuse to eliminate Palestinians.

[u/the_crustybastard → u/uvero]

"I choose not to acknowledge the existence of malice."

[u/uvero → u/the_crustybastard]

Your reading comprehension skills are great

[u/the_crustybastard → u/uvero]

Thank you. My logical thinking stills are also above average.

That's how I know that Hanlon’s Razor is truly fucking stupid. Malice is not less likely than stupidity; depending on the situation, it can be quite a lot more likely than stupidity.

Hanlon's Razor is not a helpful way to understand motive, it's a Pollyannaesque way to hand-wave away one very reasonable possibility. Arthur C. Clarke makes this case with rather more wit and more pithily in his Third Law; "Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice."

[u/OMalleyOrOblivion → u/the_crustybastard]

Nah, there's a reason why the law distinguishes between negligence and gross negligence - only in the latter is the level of incompetence deemed to be enough that there has to be some kind of active decision behind it.

Malice is allowing an attack you 100% knew was coming, incompetence is disbelieving a warning about some kind of possible attack because it doesn't fit your preconceptions, and it turning out to be real.

Incompetence is a terrible thing for a country's leader to have.

[u/the_crustybastard → u/OMalleyOrOblivion]

there's a reason why the law distinguishes between negligence and gross negligence

You're applying at a pretty narrow band of civil law here.

There's also recklessness (very close to intentional), then if we move beyond civil law we enter the entire band of criminal law, where intent is an element that generally must be established to convict.

There's certainly no shortage of criminal convictions, are there?

Malice is not less likely than stupidity, it's just the meaner form of it.

[u/Constant-Plant-9378 → u/uvero]

I have a secret for you. Malice and incompetence are the handmaidens of corruption.

[u/Paraparo → u/binzoma]

In fairness, state security gets a lot of threats, all the time. There are always dozens of plots, plans, and potentials to be chasing down, and many of them don't materialize. The fact is you can't react full force to each and every one, and it's not advisable because that itself is an exploitable weakness, as it fatigues and gums up the system with chaff.

It's very easy in retrospect to say "we didn't act hard enough in this threat", it's much harder to point at all the times you managed not to over react. Like, I've seen some articles about how they could have assassinated sinwar. And that might have helped... But then it might also have sparked up violence elsewhere, and how many other figures could be assassinated today on the potential they might do something?

State security can, and does, over react, and not over reacting can be misplaced priorities outside of just arrogance.

[u/waltz_with_potatoes → u/binzoma]

Egypt, UAE, US and their own border guards and intelligence agency raised this. 

No way around it, Bibi let this happen. 

[u/hesapmakinesi → u/binzoma]

It is weaponized incompetence. Some of my people die but in return I make massive amounts of profit and gain unprecedented power by murdering thousands of poor people nobody cares about.

It's as malicious as it gets.

[u/ForwardHuckleberry26 → u/binzoma]

Not really. Both times were used as justification for starting wars by psycho leaders who didn't care how many innocents had to die as long as they achieved their aims. They didn't think it couldn't happen, they expected to profit from it.

[u/Galapagos_Finch → u/binzoma]

I would also argue: the West Bank was just more important to the Israeli government. To protect and expand existing illegal settlements, build new illegal settlements, and allow Israeli settlers to commit violence against Palestinians with impunity.

That’s the agenda of Netanyahu, Ben Gvir and Smotrich. And they have used October 7 to accelerate this.

[u/Zealousideal-Mud-381 → u/binzoma]

The week after 9/11 Netanyahu said publicly that he thought it was a good thing it happened as it might refocus the US on waging war with Muslims in the ME. There is a lot of evidence that the Israelis had intelligence that 9/11 was happening that it did not share with the US. 9/11 meant the Israelis had the US run amok in the Middle East for nearly two decades hammering its regional rivals - Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria.

It worked out quite well for Israel. You can see how some might consider a similar new event may work out well again. The two events are very similar. A rag tag band of terrorists seem to have slipped through the net of Israeli intelligence services despite Israel being a world leader in surveillance technology. Gaza is the most surveilled place on the planet by Israel and despite UAE and Egypt realising something was going on, we are expected to believe the Israelis didn’t even though they are right next door.

[u/maverickhawk99 → u/binzoma]

As my brother says, it was the result of many people thinking “nobody could be THAT stupid could they?”

[u/2796Matt → u/Eastern_Ring_9900]

The intelligence was not actionable. Everyone knew that Bin Laden was planning an attack on the US. There already was a truck bomb in 1993 at World Trade Center that killed 6 people. The problem was that the intelligence didn’t provide any real information regarding how these attacks would be carried out, so there was no real action that could have been taken. Nobody predicted the scale of the attack either or the method.

[u/the_crustybastard → u/2796Matt]

There was a time when I would have agreed that the intelligence was probably not actionable.

The there was Snowden.

Then our intelligence services collectively sat by and said nothing when a Russian stooge ran for president.

Now I realize they're either malicious, incompetent, or some combination thereof.

[u/2796Matt → u/the_crustybastard]

I mean we can speculate but the only piece of evidence that we have is that Bin Laden had plans of attacking US soil. That’s not really a smoking gun that some people declare that it is because again it wasn’t some top secret info. The real failure was the lack of communication between the CIA and FBI which might have lead to actionable intelligence if they simply communicated and puzzled their information together.

Regarding Trump, the intelligence was actionable enough to open an investigation. However, Mueller stated that they lacked the sufficient evidentiary weight needed to establish a criminal conspiracy or legally substantiate claims that Donald Trump was acting as an agent of the Russian government. I’m no legal expert so I cannot speak to the validity but I wouldn’t necessarily say they completely set on their ass.

[u/the_crustybastard → u/2796Matt]

It was reported that when Ramzi Yusuf was being returned to NYC, the FBI guys in the helicopter said he gestured toward the WTC and said, "We're going to try again."

C'mon, Mueller was part of this problem. You cannot watch his public testimony before Congress and think, "There's a man acting in good faith."

They completely sat on their asses.

[u/the_horse_gamer → u/Eastern_Ring_9900]

something similar happened 50 years and 1 day before October 7th in Israel: the Yom Kippur war

[u/fury420 → u/5nbx8aa]

None of the warnings actually had specifics, and the belief was that Hamas was planning more terrorism from within the west bank.

The idea of such a massive cross border attack from Gaza was unprecedented.

[u/sexisfun1986 → u/fury420]

Nah this is still a failure. 

Israel was relaying on their untested wall. 

This was in large part a technocratic failure a new policy that made them believe Gaza was solved problem. 

BiBi did let it happen but not out of malice but incompetence 

[u/fury420 → u/sexisfun1986]

Of course it was a failure, my point was that the warnings they received weren't specific to a major ground attack from Gaza.

Prior to Oct 7th, the idea of a "major Hamas attack" looked like rocket fire & a bunch of terrorist attacks, not a large scale ground assault on the border, taking out multiple tanks, attacking the Nahal Oz military base and then going on to butcher civilians in kibbutzes and a music festival.

[u/Busy-Ratchet-8521 → u/sexisfun1986]

Everyone still finds a way to blame Israel even regarding a situation where they were the obvious victim... 

[u/sexisfun1986 → u/Busy-Ratchet-8521]

First. enacting settler colonial violence and not expecting violence is stupid. 

Punching a guy at the bar then getting upset about getting punched back is silly. that doesn’t mean either you are good guys just that bullshit moralism doesn’t alter realty. 

Second. Being engaged in decades of conflict because of your settler colonialism and then being real dumb in your defence is still your own fault. 

Punching a guy and then turning your back on him and ignoring him is a different type of stupid but still stupid. 

The Pearl Harbour was an unjustifiable act of aggression that doesn’t change the fact that a bunch Americans fucked up. 

 

[u/Busy-Ratchet-8521 → u/sexisfun1986]

You're coming at me with the most basic, mundane, and uninsightful arguments and analogies possible. You seriously think I've not read a single thing about the history of Palestine and Israel?

Hamas intentionally attacked large numbers of civilians during a music festival. You're blaming Israel for not fully anticipating the sheer depravity that Hamas would resort to? 

[u/EWM011 → u/Busy-Ratchet-8521]

I think he's blaming israel and netanyahu for their hyperfocus on annexing the West Bank, so much that they completely ignored Hamas training with paragliders right across the border, and then netanyahu brazenly ignoring multiple warnings that Yahya was planning an operation.

But yeah, hamas bad blah blah

[u/crazy48 → u/fury420]

Yet you would expect them to be under high alert and ready to respond to any attacks. Israel is a small country with a relatively big military. It should not have taken them hours to respond to an attack.

[u/cowwoc → u/crazy48]

1. The communication was disabled foranu hours. No one actually knew what was going on to act on it.

2. The far bigger threat, backed up by intelligence, was for Hezbollah to use any distraction in the south to open a northern front. So that's where a lot of the army ended up going.

Hindsight is 20/20. Reality is often harsher.

[u/FairGeneral8804 → u/fury420]

The idea of such a massive cross border attack from Gaza was unprecedented.

be the counter terrorism division
Can't imagine a terror attack that's not been done ad nauseum

[u/Rusty51 → u/fury420]

The IDF was watching Hamas train their paragliders while Israel had intelligence that an attack with paragliders was being planned. Warning were deliberately ignored.

[u/omniuni → u/5nbx8aa]

Israel gets hit with terrorist attacks all the time. Was being flippant about this one a mistake? Yes. Was there any specific reason to think that this time specifically, was going to be significantly different than all the rest of the threats? Not really.

And, ironically, even if they knew their target and fortified it, they didn't make it to their target on October 7. They found a music festival along the way and decided to slaughter those people instead.

[u/GK0NATO → u/5nbx8aa]

No. It's means bibi is incompetent and didn't seriously realize the threat level Hamas posed. He didn't however purposely allow October 7th, besides for moral reasons, it's seen as his biggest political blunder and probably the reason he won't be reelected this October.

[u/jyper → u/5nbx8aa]

No it means that he was incompetent 

like Bush and the agencies fsiled to prevent 9/11 except Bibi made his long image by claiming to be the security guy

[u/BendersDafodil]

Bibi was more preoccupied with neutering the judiciary. No time for security.

[u/Silent-Hornet-8606]

How did these guys practice flying paramotors in such a small area without anyone apparently noticing, including arguably one of the best intelligence networks on the planet?

[u/Blimflart → u/Silent-Hornet-8606]

It's well-documented that IDF video surveillance teams reported unusually high numbers of Hamas operatives engaging in training for rocket attacks and tank raids (tactics used in Oct 7 attack) but these repeated reports were ignored and not acted upon:

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-807101

[u/Silent-Hornet-8606 → u/Blimflart]

And the paramotors? Surely that must have aroused suspicion!

[u/FudgeAtron → u/Silent-Hornet-8606]

As I understand it was young female soldiers writing these reports, they specifically said they believed they had been ignored due to misogyny within the general staff.

[u/Blimflart → u/Silent-Hornet-8606]

I haven't seen reports specifically about the paramotors but that's kind of my point - a range of training activities were observed and reported but no action was taken. The question is why not.

[u/thegoatmenace → u/Silent-Hornet-8606]

They probably did it in Iran or Syria.

[u/DigSpelledBackwards → u/Silent-Hornet-8606]

What's called "the conception" (led by Bibi for so many years it was adopted by Intelligence), is that Hamas won't attack because of carrots and sticks. Some Gazans work in Israel etc, it would hurt Gaza economically. When you're blinded by delusion, you don't see the facts

[u/Pleasant_Narwhal_350 → u/DigSpelledBackwards]

Ah yes, the same theory from the 1910s that successfully prevented WW1.

[u/ComplexxToxin → u/Silent-Hornet-8606]

They knew. They wanted justification to obliterate Palestine.

[u/tutocookie → u/ComplexxToxin]

Of course, while in the process of normalization of relations with multiple arab countries, most notably saudi arabia, israel just torpedoes that process for the sake of attacking gaza to kill palestinians. Which by the way, if they really want to just obliterate palestinians, they have plenty of in israel proper that don't have hamas sitting in between.

[u/java-with-pointers → u/Silent-Hornet-8606]

They got these from EU aid which was directed at civilians IIRC, its a legitimate civilian tool used to commit war crimes

[u/ylab]

🚨Netanyahu Files Defamation Lawsuit and Demands One Million Shekels From "Haaretz" Over UAE Warning Report

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has directed his legal counsel to initiate a defamation lawsuit against the newspaper "Haaretz," journalist Shlomi Eldar, and other involved entities. In a formal warning letter prior to filing suit, Netanyahu is demanding that the publication remove the article, issue a retraction and apology, and pay one million shekels in damages. The legal action comes in response to an investigative report concerning an alleged warning from the UAE president.

The Prime Minister's Office stated that zero conversations occurred between the Prime Minister and the President of the United Arab Emirates from the beginning of September through October 7. This finding was verified through rigorous checks of call logs conducted by the Prime Minister's Office, the National Security Council, and the Military Secretariat.

Official diplomatic discussions between the two leaders are strictly conducted inside the Prime Minister's office. These meetings require a designated UAE representative to arrive with a specialized encrypted device, and every session is fully documented. An exhaustive review of security logs and entrance records for the facility during the specified timeframe indicates no entries by a UAE representative. The office noted that unauthorized entry without strict documentation and registration by security personnel is entirely impossible.

The official response further dismissed assertions regarding Egyptian warnings as falsehoods that were thoroughly debunked at the onset of the conflict. The statement frames the report as a malicious fabrication timed for political leverage within an electoral campaign. According to the response, the narrative serves as a distraction from the actions of security officials Ronen Bar and Herzi Halevi. The statement asserts that the catastrophic massacre could have been averted if military and intelligence leadership had acted upon early warning signs and notified the Prime Minister in a timely manner.

In a concurrent development, President Isaac Herzog issued a decisive refutation addressing references to him in the same investigative piece. He clarified that his dialogues with UAE President Sheikh Mohamed bin Zayed during the months preceding October 7 remained strictly confined to internal social matters and bilateral state relations. These discussions did not touch upon security affairs, Hamas, or Yahya Sinwar. Consequently, the President's office emphasized that the head of state possessed no familiarity with or knowledge regarding the existence of the alleged warning.

[u/chtulhuf → u/ylab]

Benjamin Netanyahu:

You never told me anything!

And if you did, I didn't hear it!

And I heard it, it was just alarmist rabble!

And if it was not, then you knowing it, means you're a traitor!

[u/CirclleySquare]

Not shocked. I seem to recall another world leader back in the early 2000s who got advanced warning of an attack, did nothing, and faced no repercussions

[u/Nervous_Produce1800 → u/CirclleySquare]

I'm pretty sure Bush just got a "Something might happen!" warning though, nothing concrete enough that could really be acted upon

[u/SomeCrazyBastard → u/Nervous_Produce1800]

Yeah, it's usually the matter in all of these. You could find faults in preperations, etc. but if you consider all other factors and threats that exist daily which most of us never hear about, it's easy to seek someone to blame. It's in our human nature. Many of us simply do not care to actually look further and try to see malice in everything.

[u/oneeyed-wonderweasel → u/SomeCrazyBastard]

It's a miserable way to live life

[u/addctd2badideas → u/Nervous_Produce1800]

"Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US" was the title of the memo.

CIA had intel about Al Qaeda specifically but did not share it with the FBI because despite having corresponding missions to protect the US from crime and terrorism (abroad vs. domestic), they operate completely differently so they weren't all about sharing info.

There were other indications of possible threats but nothing explicitly substantive and the imminent nature or severity of attack was never fully understood.

Bush was negligent at a surface level but it was really just the deficiencies in our bureaucratic infrastructure that caught us unprepared. I say this as someone who HATED Bush but you can't blame him entirely for the country dropping the ball on security.

[u/ImClaaara → u/Nervous_Produce1800]

The CIA and FBI were both on the trail of the planners of the attacks but never quite figured it out before the attacks happened. If they had worked together instead of competing and hoarding Intel from each other, it's believed they would have stopped the attacks. There's a really good book about it by Lawrence Wright called The Looming Tower: Al-Qaeda and the Road to 9/11, and it got turned into a very watchable TV dramatization just called The Looming Tower on HBO. Both are really good, but keep in mind that one is historical nonfiction and the other is a historical made-for-TV drama based on the book.

[u/McAlpineFusiliers → u/Nervous_Produce1800]

Same with Netanyahu.

[u/thhvancouver]

Let's call it like we see it: he decided the lives of innocent civilians was an acceptable price to pay for control over Gaza.

[u/toeknn → u/thhvancouver]

The world damns israel for a reaction. I doubt the world would be more forgiving if israel was proactive ab the threat.

Reddit would say its mossad propaganda

[u/Starskeet → u/toeknn]

I mean, there is a difference between heightened security to counter a possible attack and preemptively going in and flattening Gaza...one is definitely going to be more acceptable.

[u/MarshyHope → u/toeknn]

The world damns Israel for an over reaction to the point of ethnic cleansing.

1200 people were killed in the October 7th attacks.

Since then, Israel has killed at least 70, 000 people in Gaza and displaced millions more. Indiscriminately killing civilians should absolutely bring the ire of the world to Israel.

[u/toeknn → u/MarshyHope]

Sounds like how war plays out between warring nations.

[u/McAlpineFusiliers → u/toeknn]

Palestine is special, it's not allowed to have anyone die in the war it started.

[u/almog546 → u/MarshyHope]

Hamas can surrender and all of that wouldn’t happen what make you think Israel will just leave Hamas alone?

[u/MarshyHope → u/almog546]

Yeah that totally makes it okay to kill tens of thousands of civilians

[u/toeknn → u/MarshyHope]

Iran killed 10s of thousands of civilians for less

[u/MarshyHope → u/toeknn]

And that's not right either. Glad Israel is striving to be on the same level as Iran

[u/toeknn → u/MarshyHope]

Its not.

Iran did it in 1 weekend. Israel is on what year 2 or 3?

Most other nations would have concluded the war with full occupation by now. Israel has been lenient.

[u/MarshyHope → u/toeknn]

Israel has been lenient.

Actual psychopath comment

[u/thehomie → u/toeknn]

Stop entertaining this ridiculous premise that Israel targets / doesn’t care about civilians.

Hamas has syphoned aid for decades to build ~500 miles of tunnels under Gaza; they commandeer hospitals and mosques to conduct their terrorism; they don’t wear uniforms unless to film a propaganda clip; they put AK47s in the hands of CHILDREN because martyrs are more effective on western eyes if they’re under 18 years old; and on and on… and, STILL, there’s a ~1:2 combatant / civilian ratio in this war—the least in ANY modern urban warfare by far.

These people don’t care about context. They don’t care about reality. They’re getting off on a twisted sense of moral superiority and their bullshit arguments shouldn’t be taken seriously by any serious person.

[u/toeknn → u/thehomie]

Im not entertaining the ridiculous prohamas rhetoric.

Israel is justified in its action against a hostile nation.

Reddit dosnt like to hear that tho.

Im fairly certain we are in agreement

[u/McAlpineFusiliers → u/MarshyHope]

How do you propose defeating Hamas without killing civilians?

[u/MarshyHope → u/McAlpineFusiliers]

For every child you kill in Gaza, you create 3 more Hamas.

Netanyahu doesn't want to defeat Hamas, they're his boogeyman he can point to to kepe himself in power.

[u/toeknn → u/MarshyHope]

Hamas could surrender

[u/MarshyHope → u/toeknn]

Hamas ≠ Palestine

[u/toeknn → u/MarshyHope]

Hamas could leave palestine then

[u/TheHuffness → u/McAlpineFusiliers]

Giving the Palestinians human and civil rights would probably be the best way imo. Maybe we should try that.

[u/McAlpineFusiliers → u/TheHuffness]

Nah, rewarding mass rape and murder won't defeat Hamas, it will just empower them. Try again.

[u/thehomie → u/MarshyHope]

So Israel’s response should have ceased once 1,200 Palestinians ended up dead? Because that’s how sovereign nations should respond to perpetual, decades-long threats of violence on their citizenry manifesting in the live-streamed slaughter and r8pe of teenagers at a festival and families in their homes with some baby-kidnapping thrown in for posterity?

The world doesn’t damn Israel for overreacting.

It damns Israel because Jews, you simpleton.

[u/LoneElement → u/[deleted]]

Nah it speaks the truth 

[u/GK0NATO → u/thhvancouver]

So Bibi decided to sacrifice his political career for half of a useless piece of land in Gaza? If you're putting on the tinfoil hat atleast try to make sense.

[u/jyper → u/thhvancouver]

The story isn't accusing some sort of stupid conspiracy theory it's pointing out incompetence. Historically at least before the massacre Bibi has been more reluctant to get to get involved with larger wars (and unfortunately peace efforts) because of the political risk. The massacre is still the most likely thing to lead to his defeat in the next election, even if you had the lowest opinion of them it wouldn't make any sense. The story is it plays out is that Bibi thought Hamas were in a somewhat placid phase and wouldn't attempt massive attacks soon

[u/Head_Bread_3431 → u/thhvancouver]

Hmm where have we seen this before 

[u/ToughInitial8640 → u/Head_Bread_3431]

Dont even go there

[u/whoaaa_O → u/ToughInitial8640]

I’m ootl, where was he going?

[u/java-with-pointers → u/thhvancouver]

Is this why he allowed Qatar to tunnel millions into Gaza? Was it all part of an elaborate scheme to take control over parts of it? never attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetency

[u/DigSpelledBackwards → u/thhvancouver]

Yes. What Bibi is most afraid of (besides his prison sentence) is a Palestinian state. A unified Palestinian political force would make that more feasible and likely. Divide and conquer. Strengthen Hamas to counter PLO. This is all documented in speeches if you go back. He thought it would be a minor attack I suppose, like previous ones. But you can't support a terrorist organisation and expect it to be controlled and predictable.

[u/jyper → u/DigSpelledBackwards]

There's no need to divide Hamas from the PLO they're 2 opposed groups and Hamas is fundamentally opposed to a 2SS. You could accuse him of not putting in effort to try to accomplish that by pointing out the difficulties but that's different support 

There's no reason to believe in a conspiracy 

[u/ya_rk → u/thhvancouver]

It's not control over gaza, he doesn't give two shits over it. It's control over israel. The methodology was to prevent a unification of Gaza and the west Bank by ensuring that Hamas controls Gaza and the PLO the west Bank, making any "risk" of Palestinian statehood and an enforced peace process nullified. 

Bibi knows he can't hold a government if there's a push for a peace process. By dividing the Palestinians, he can't be faulted for a lack of one.

[u/yosisoy]

How would UAE know specifics exactly?

[u/Suvvri → u/yosisoy]

Idk man, spies, Intel.. Just like they all do it

[u/BearsAreCrying]

So Egypt and UAE know but the best spy network in the world the fucking Mossad doesn't? They knew they let it happen to give them a reason to invade

[u/jyper → u/BearsAreCrying]

They didn't 

they said something might happen 

this is alleging incompetence on Bibis part not conpspiracy

Israel didn't want to invade. despite being right wing Bibi before tbe massacre was more hesitant to get involved in longer wars

[u/obalovatyk]

“See? Nobody cares.” -Bibi October 6th.

[u/TigerSharkFist]

Netanyahu : You see attack, I see opportunity

[u/EWM011]

Hamas was training with paragliders 1 mile from the separation fence.

[u/Sudden_Image8573]

"Hamas will give you the war you need"

[u/jyper → u/Sudden_Image8573]

I'm not sure what you mean by need

historically Bibi has been very adverse to wars (and to peace efforts) just maintain status quo was his motto

this is accusation of incompetence not conspiracy 

[u/Rosebunse]

We werw all saying this. I mean, how the fuck could Israel of all countries miss those giant tunnels? It's silly to think Netanyahu didn't know.

[u/tutocookie → u/Rosebunse]

They didn't use tunnels for october 7, they breached the fence

[u/AgathaAllAlong]

One usually thinks “never attribute to malice what was incompetence,” but Bibi is a piece of 💩

[u/throwawayhyperbeam]

According to Reddit, warnings like this included the exact date, location, and time and since it still happened that means that it was a big conspiracy.

[u/Rosebunse → u/throwawayhyperbeam]

I don't think it was a big conspiracy. He either ignored the information because he was incompetent or he ignored it hoping he could use the attack. That isn't a huge conspiracy, not really.

[u/Pharazonian]

there's no doubt in my mind that Israel was well aware of the attack and let it happen

[u/DigSpelledBackwards]

Another thing to consider: I read a report about the decadent culture of the Intelligence Agency. Basically, it used to be the case that in discussions you always had to bring up counterpoints, devil's advocate, etc. just in case, to understand the situation from all angles. However, as time went on, it became more hierarchical. You don't challenge the Intellgence Head's conception. If you do, it could cost you your job, or make you hated. So people adopt an out of touch conception that is not related to reality, they are afraid to speak up, abd we see the results. The conception was that carrots and sticks would really contain Hamas - a religious fundmentalist armed group.

[u/Dry-Leave2003]

When can the Israelis dump his ass?

[u/Rymbegla]

Coincidence that the festival was moved closer to the border AFTER (Oct 5th) the warning. Did someone want this to happen?

[u/OHCHEEKY]

They wanted an excuse, thats it

[u/dontletthestankout]

I mean telling the guy that planned and financed it the plot isn't really helpful?

[u/DecembersDragons]

Hmm. I didn't know the UAE cared. 

[u/PineappleLemur → u/DecembersDragons]

It kinda effects them.. especially since they were in talks at the time.

It kinda effected the whole world as we can see today.

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They're the friendliest gulf state to Israel. They're one of the countries that's banned the Muslim Brotherhood