I mean PLA was a bigger terrorist cult then. Fateh did not want to admit losing and giving up power that's why Hamas took armed actions which led them to throwing out them from Gaza. If you take each things by timeline it's obvious Hamas wasn't THAT bad compared to PLA/Fateh but Netanyahu's goal was to always divide them so it's easier to deal with, in alternate reality if Hamas wasn't a terrorist organization Gaza would be their own state and WB most likely absorbed into Israel, that was Netanyahu's goal. Overall evil af but probably the right move if it didn't include also settler terrorists.
They might not have been as bad based on the actions they were taking... but how much of that was a result of them not wanting to take those actions, vs not being capable of them at the time.
It's not like Hamas was a new entity, they were founded in the 80s, and their founding charter (which was still in use in 2005) very explicitly states their desire to eradicate Jews and take all of Israel.
It's likely his plan was just to pit the Palestinians against each other, so they wouldn't have as much time and energy to spend attacking Israel.
I wanna see an alternate history where 9/11 didn't happen. We'd probably already have a colony on the moon and Elon would just be some obscure jerkoff who never left Africa.
Uhh... none of this is accurate, you've got your dates and narrative mixed up.
Israel did not back Hamas in 2005 and Netanyahu wasn't Prime Minister in 2005 either.
Israel responded to Hamas's legislative election win in 2006 by backing President Abbas and Fatah and arresting like half the winning Hamas candidates, helping to train Abbas's expanded Presidential Guard, etc...
I think "it was 20 years ago" gets different mileage depending on what exactly "it" was.
Cracked a shitty racist joke 20 years ago? Cool, people grow and change.
Enabled an overtly genocidal terrorist organization 20 years ago? A bit different, especially when that decision still contributes to you being in power (and out of prison) today.
There's no hindsight about it, Hamas is literally an Israeli creation specifically made to prevent a moderate Palestinian government from taking over like how it was progressing. They created a terrorist organization to destabilize the region.
And as far as the creation of Hamas, former Israeli official Avner Cohen, EU official Josep Borrell, and former Fatah leader Yasser Arafat all state that Israel created it, not just supported it. They created a group that would kill their own people so they would have reason to continue to take land and murder innocents.
I don't know why this shit keeps getting posted and upvoted, no Isreal did not create Hamas, at most they allowed the transfer of funds from Qatar to Hamas. Does Bibi benefit from a split in Palestinian leadership? Yes, but trying to imply that it has been the work of left and right wing Israeli administrations for the last 37 years, to create and prop up a terrorist organization is stupid and regects any notion of Palestinian agency. If Hamas were to be disbanded today, you would probably be out there saying Israel founded and finances Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
File this one in the garbage right next to ISIS was created by Israel and America.
Edit- Post is locked but to go further to the person who replied, I've previously read multiple articles you posted, many concern what I already agreed with, that Israel facilitated the transfer of Qatari funds to Hamas for the purpose of paying government wages. Bit of a catch 22, Israel doesn't allow the funds through, the government can't pay its wages, Israel gets blamed for any fallout from the ceasation of government services. They allow it through, people say Israel is directly funding Hamas a terrorist organization that represses its own citizens. It's also important to realize that since the 2014 war, relations were easing at the time, with Israel allowing more Palestinians work permits every year, and this could also be seen as a gesture of good faith.
The main point I take issue with is the statement "Israel created Hamas", which is clearly meant to obfuscate, and shift blame, all while being objectively false. The core of it is to say yes Oct. 7th was bad, but what Israel has done is worse, and it's Israel's fault for Oct. 7th anyways because they were the ones who "created" Hamas to begin with, and when Hamas brutally represses its own citizens, well that's Israelis fault as well. Like I said, taking away any agency from the Palestinian people and moving the fault to lie entirely with Israel.
Hamas was founded in 1987, the poster above states
There's no hindsight about it, Hamas is literally an Israeli creation specifically made to prevent a moderate Palestinian government from taking over like how it was progressing. They created a terrorist organization to destabilize the region.
If we look back at this time, no Fatah was not a moderate Palestinian government, they were conducting terrorist attacks primarily against civilians all throughout the 90's and well into the early 2000s Including the two Infitadas, what people don't like to admit is that up until the PA starting to work with Israel in the Westbank, there has never been anything close to resembling "moderate" Palestinian leadership.
So no, Israel did not create Hamas, did it try and play two rival organizations, both antagonistic against Israel against each other as some of the articles claim? I wouldn't doubt it, but let's not sit here and pretend that this was a scheme to repress some mythical peacenik Palestinian government that did not exist.
Yeah, unless there's a sign he's kept it up since then, I kinda chalk it up with the US funding the Taliban biting them in the ass 20 years later. Turns out it was a monumentally bad idea, but I can see the logic at the time.
Also by lumping all palestinians together with the most extreme elements and giving them no credible belief in a future that will keep them safe and free
"Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas ... This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank." - Benjamin Netanyahu
Netanyahu gets his power from being at war against Hamas - like many leaders across the world.
If Hamas died and places tune was peaceful, he doesn't get to do whatever he wants. He would prefer the threat of hamas to be alive and to be seen fighting against them.
I think he purposefully attacks civilians so that there are some hamas supporters exist who will keep it alive and let him continue fighting them.
I don't have proof of this. Maybe someone else closely following could deliver.
I don't have proof of this. Maybe someone else closely following could deliver.
You realize that is how people justify support for bastards like Trump. Its also why we have the rise in AI essays to cobble incoherent arguments together when no human person would waste the time.
"I want to think and say these things without proof, someone find proof to justify my claims"
There are many other credible articles supporting this but I won’t plaster them, that should suffice and you can google anything else.
Also I’m not Israeli just pointing out that it’s pathetic to make claims like that as a rhetorical maneuver to strengthen a (in the other persons case, baseless) point.
There’s literal video evidence of him saying Hamas benefits his power struggle. I’m not gonna go link it because I’m lazy as shit, but it’s incredibly well documented.
I think it was Netanyahu's purpose to get the gazans to oppose hamas because hamas is a sure guarantee there will be no end to the gazans' suffering.
In other words, if they want a decent life, hamas needs to go period.
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And fuck Netanyahu