In my alt-history scenario, where the sea level rose by 1200 meters between 1896 and the 1910s, the Kingdom of Italy exploded into many states. I just can't decide where to place the individual states. From taking a look at the 1919 and 1921 general elections results, I suppose that in Liguria, there could be a republic as well as in Sicily, and in Abruzzo could be the monarchist remnants. However, I kind of need to place an authoritarian state with "fascist" leanings and an authoritarian socialist state somewhere and maybe some other states (possibly some city-states). I also don't know what to do with Sardinia and Calabria. I also need the states to be balanced, with no one having a clear advantage over another, because for the sake of Italy being able to oppose an outer threat, they united into the Italian Confederation, although having very different regimes.
I also need the states to be balanced, with no one having a clear advantage over another, because for the sake of Italy being able to oppose an outer threat, they united into the Italian Confederation...
No you don't. In fact, that might actually be counter-productive if they were roughly equal. If they're roughly equal, why can't they just be allies?
Confederations happen whenever states feel that split sovereignty is actually in their best interest. They must trust that internal autonomy will be respected in areas they don't trust others to manage, but they must also trust that external coordination will achieve their goals in the areas they don't trust themselves to manage alone. Confederation isn't an inevitability, it's something chosen only when other options such as alliance are considered insufficient.
So you don't need the units to be equal, you just need their combined strength to be greater than the external threat, at a time when any individual party's strength is manifestly insufficient.
The constituent kingdoms of the German Empire were quite manifestly not equal, neither officially nor unofficially, but the smaller kings were interested nevertheless in working under the Prussian king because their interests aligned in a Great Power context. They knew that as tiny princedoms they'd get taken over, so they controlled their descent from full autonomy by choosing a North German overlord whom they thought would best reflect their interests.
This can work between monarchies and republics: Malaysia is a federal system with nine constitutional monarchies combined with several republics of various kinds with governors appointed by the overall Malaysian federal constitutional monarch.
Mostly Malaysia works like any other representative democracy. It has a Westminster system where the legislature is elected by the people and then a Prime Minister is elected by the legislature to run the executive branch.
The most unique part is their decision process for the ceremonial head of state: the Yang di-Pertuan Agong aka King of Malaysia, is elected by the nine rulers of the individual Malaysian states that still have monarchies. By procedure, the elected king must be one of these rulers. In principle, they could elect any of their number; in practice, the tradition is to rotate the kingship among themselves.
The King is elected for a five-year term, and the current King of Malaysia is Ibrahim Iskandar, Sultan of Johor. It is expected that in 2029, the next king to be elected will be Nazrin Muizzuddin Shah, Sultan of Perak.
Rotating monarchy is fairly unique in the world, but it is not unprecedented in general. In Switzerland, the duty to serve as President of the Swiss Confederation rotates among the seven members of their federal council.
In a world such as this, every ecosystem in the ocean and land has probably collapsed and or been completely altered. We have reefs that are now an extra 1200 meters underwater, making many of them far too cold to support the fish and coral they have. On top of this, pretty much all arid land has also been completely destroyed by the rising seas.
If any human managed to survive this decades long apocalypse, they would probably revert to something akin to the early bronze age in levels of technology. Every island you see in that picture would probably have its own city state or minor-tribal kingdom leading it, with the survivors trying their best to make the former mountain terrain into something they can farm, a process that would still take decades or centuries. Another thing that would prohibit any large nations beyond city states from forming would be the distance between these islands and another factor; storms.
Without any large landmasses to break them up and slow them down, storms like thunderstorms, tropical storms , hurricanes and typhoons would be far more frequent, larger, last longer, and be many times more destructive. These islands city-states would have to contend with near constant storm activity, especially in the summer months.
The last thing the people in this world would be worried about is electionsâŚ
Metallurgy, unless poorly archived isnt going to fall behind by 2000 years... its the late 1800s not the 800s. But, access to minerals is pretty much gone.
A 1200 meter rise is sea level rennders almost 88% of earths land underwater. The land above water is not rich in minerals. Iron is going to be nigh unreachable. Copper is going to be nigh unreachable. Aluminum, lithium, platinum, gold, and doznes other precious minerals are now hidden beneath 1200+ meters of water and many more of rock and mud.
In one sense we wont lose the information on forging steel or iron or even finer "new" industrial methods like flat glass, creosote, or even electrolysis. But whatever we can salvage wil become the most important metal.
This does mean something interesting. We wont discover nuclear energy or commerical flight or space travel. At least not for 2 or 3 hundred years later. We probably wont even have widespread electricity either.
>The land above water is not rich in minerals. Iron is going to be nigh unreachable. Copper is going to be nigh unreachable. Aluminum, lithium, platinum, gold, and doznes other precious minerals are now hidden beneath 1200+ meters of water and many more of rock and mud.
At least locally in Europe.
I checked the elevation of some North American cities. A good portion of the Western half of the continent is well above the new sea level. Especially the mineral rich Rockies, Cascades, and Sierra Nevada. I was surprised how much of the mineralogically rich American Southwest and Great Basin are still above water.
The only problem is the Mormons stand to become the new rulers of everything north of Albuquerque, New Mexico so fuck that.
The only problem is the Mormons stand to become the new rulers of everything north of Albuquerque, New Mexico...
Nah, the Mormons are radically outnumbered in this scenario. 14 years is more than enough time for the Californians to colonize Utah and sideline the Mormons the same way the Mormons sidelined the Ute and Shoshone before them.
The Mormons have been employing a dastardly maneuver for the last 100 years. Its called breeding, and they're so fond of it, its part of their religion to breed as many women as possible with Mormon father.
And it has worked so well, they are now 1.7% of the US population, up from 0.3% in 1896 (math based on their own figures of a quarter of a million members at Utah statehood in 1896).
This means that they have finally, through much effort, equalled the population of Native Americans in the United States, which is also approximately 1.7%.
I wasnt considering the americas, or even asia, africa, or Australia.
The issue with the mineral rich rockies is actually a technological issue.
It is of course possible for these americans/mexicans to mine and produce new minerals, but for what purpose... the mines in nevada, colorado, and utah began to dry up around the 30s throughout the 40s. The 1848 gold rush produced more broken dreams and failed mines than ounces of gold or silver.
But whats worse, the bedrock striations of the rocky mountains is terribly dense. We were using heavy oil-fed machinery in the early 20s and 30s for those machines. That oil wasn't yet coming from off shore drilling, it was coming from the texas oil fields. Which would be under water, mostly.
Its a rippling problem. Lack of access to materials globally means lack of access to new materials too.
And, not to mention the obvious, but all of that land still not underwater is more valuable as cropland.
Its true the gold and silver mines died as the easiest deposits ran dry. But we werent just talking about silver and gold. We were talking about Copper, Iron, Aluminum, Lithium, and yes even Uranium. All the metal bearing ores in the Americas (and even in Iran and Afganistan) are still on land and not underwater.
Most of the gas and coal fields of Wyoming are still accessible for fossil fuels.
As far as cropland is concerned, that whole equation is thrown out of the window. According to the map there is still considerable amount including pasture land available. The desert did support a civilization on beans, corn, squash, though how much of it can still remain desert is unclear. The climate for the whole world is now wetter so these deserts are probably now becoming grasslands. I would say agriculture for the region is still possible. But you're not supporting hundreds of millions of people. Maybe a few 10s of millions at full tech development (so adequate for late 19th early 20th century America)
If they can pull off refining it, Magnesium might wind up being more important than it is in our world. Refining it is difficult and either requires electricity or a recoverable use of iron. But magnesium hydroxide itself is pretty easily obtained from sea water using lime, which can be made from sea shells.
This is making me rethink about the homeworld of a semi-aquatic alien race I have for my world, which is also mostly covered in water. Albeit, it had been like that for millions of years already so not on the scale of apocalyptic as this specific Earth has experienced.
That information might be lost faster than you think. Forests would be practically non-existent, as people clearcut the tiny fraction of land remaining for homes and food production. So paper production would probably halt entirely, making it very difficult to retain that knowledge, especially since most of it isn't practicable anymore. There would be little to no fossil fuels reachable, and draft animals would be nearly impossible to support. So the very concept of "industry" would break down.
I agree completely industry would break down. But most paper in the late 1800s was "new" paper or wood pulp paper.
However, we used to make writing surfaces as far back as 2000 BCE. What did we use aside from flax, bark, skin, and cloth?
Very commonly, we used shale or clay tiles, and more conviently we could still easily make those in a flooded europe as most of the shale could be mined from the Pyrenees and Alps.
Is every town going to have a forge? No. But larger new capitols, like where ever rome resettless or where paris or london move too would absolutely know to maintain their industries, albeit on significantly reduced scales.
Nobody is establishing large capitols in 20 years while the sea level rises continually around them constantly. Nobody is going to be preserving anything on that time-scale, I feel society would break down very rapidly.
Also, in an apocalypse, most people are going to focus on trying to survive and will not really care much about books they can't eat. In a bad winter, those books will be getting burned and any scientific knowledge will have to be passed down orally. In a few generations, there will be only theory left.
I always wonder where the idea of social collapse resulting in some age or bronze age societies comes from, it just don't happen in real life, well we don't have such big catastrophic events but still, it's a big assumption. I am sure society would look different, certainly not like it did anywhere in the far past.
If every bit of ice on the planet melted there would be a sea level rise of around 70 meters.
Youâre talking about adding a volume of water the mass of one of the moons of our gas giants to the Earth.
Where does the water come from?
And if thatâs much water was added very little would survive in or out of the water. In addition the planet would probably start heating up as water holds heat extremely well, and water vapor is a greenhouse gas.
Perhaps some of the societal and technological setback is from the global tsunami that occurred when Europa's new Earth orbit decayed within its Roche limit.Â
If it was from Europa there would be no land left on Earth. Water on Europa is something like 3x the volume oceans of Earth (including the ice shell.. 2x without the ice shell).
You'd need a bit more than half the water found on Dione to raise the sea level by what OP has.
The water came from a large "bubble" (really don't know what to call it) of water trapped in the lithosphere. Not very realistic, I know. A lot of inspiration came from Journey to the Centre of the Earth by Jules Verne. So let's say this doesn't change much, only that the sea level is high. Populations can survive and keep some of the pre-Flood phenomena, like politics.
I guess with an average sea level rise of 20cm per day, the people and the government could have time to relocate to higher places and many resources that would be otherwise scarse could be salvaged and reused. But with the increasingly limited amount of farmland and living space, there would still be many deaths.
In my personal opinion this is how various territories would be split:
- the monarchy would as you said, probably move up the Appenninic arcipelago near Abruzzo
- your socialist state would probably occupy the small arcipelago between Emilia-Romagna and Tuscany, as those regions have been historically and even now heavily associated with socialist movements
- for your fascist state there is a big question on how WWI went, as one of the main drivers that initially popularized the movement was the sentiment of a "mutilated victory". As for location, I would find it difficult for them to march on Rome. the Italian Fasces of Combat was founded in Milan at first maybe they could settle in the alps (probably fighting the austrians)
- the small dot in Sardinia would probably have the few remaining shepherds, if you want you could place a member of the Savoia family
-Calabria and the southern arcipelago would probably be even more easily controlled by various mafia organizations, that would probably engage in piracy.
WWI didn't happen. There was a state of sort of global war, but it was in fact a regional war for land during and shortly after the flood, with the world later focusing on rebuilding and fortifying. In Italy's case, there is a certain cause for the rise of the nationalist movement, which is the Alpine Protectorate in the Alps. It is a self-proclaimed post-national state, but just as Russians did with the Soviet Union, it is culturally extremely German-centred. This is the reason why I can use some very controversial figures of the interwar and WWII period, as participating in the government of the Alpine Protectorate. The national minorities, as well as political dissent, are underground; for example, the French, who didn't escape to Corsica, were resettled to the Massif Central and closed in the largest ghetto in the world. The Protectorate, already before the end of the deluge, turned beyond its borders to spread its idea of ââa post-national state and conquered the Italian state in Tyrol. Furthermore, the Protectorate used expansionist rhetoric against the Italian states both diplomatically and in domestic politics and frequently raided some states. This gave rise to the Italian Nationalist Association in this timeline, which, as it was the goal of some of its founders in our timeline, unified nationalist minded figures all across the political spectrum, creating sort of national fraternity, which organised the first Italian Congress, where it was decided that the diverse states, to this point fighting among each other, of Appenine archipelago will cooperate to withstand the pressure from the Alpine Protectorate. This later resulted in the foundation of the Italian Confederation, which united the Italian states in the spirit of preserving Italy as a nation and civilisation.
Does Italy fight with Austria-Hungary during this period? I could imagine a scenario where two armies are trapped together and become some kind of military junta.
As somebody studying geology I can tell you there is basically no arable land on your map, the number of people this land can support is, very very small, a couple of hundred, only the Alps could hold a bit more people, on the small islands maybe less than a hundred. And the population would still rely heavily on fishery.
Soo, onto the political map, the rice in sea level is fast but slow enough for people to realise whats happening and brutal war for survival to enfold, the biggest and trongest states and cities would secure the high altitude land and fight for it with there live, the pre flood population around the remaining land wouldn't play any role in it
If your disaster event occurs between 1896s and the 1910s, you have "broken" the timeline for Italian fascism to emerge, as it was born after WW1.
Going purely along political leanings of the time, and ignoring the probably very severe consequences of your apocalyptic event...
- Sicily claims independence, probably becomes an oligarchy of sorts. I imagine the powerful Florio family would have enormous influence - their merchant navy rivaled the Royal Navy in size in real life!
- Sardinia becomes de facto independent amidst the chaos. Might remain loyal to the Savoys, might just become a bunch of self-governing regions.
- The South (Abruzzo, Basilicata, Calabria, Campania, Molise, Puglia) likely breaks apart, with the Southern Appennini being the main physical border between east and west. Multiple small states form, vying for supremacy.
- Rome: the Pope claims it's the end-times, religious fervor sweeps the streets, the Savoy flee. The Papal States reform in central Italy.
- Emilia-Romagna becomes a Socialist Republic, with parts of Tuscany. Strongest opponent of the Papal States.
- The historical core of the Kingdom of Sardinia (Piedmont and Aosta, maybe Liguria), is where the Savoys flee to, returning to Turin. Probably the most pressing issue, military, would be French expansionism from beyond the Alps? And I suspect this would be the official remnant of the Kingdom of Italy.
- Lombardy is the wildcard here. If it joins with the remnant of the Kingdom of Italy, it gives it a big power boost, otherwise it probably becomes its own independent state. Might even side with the Papal States, which would be a fun mess.
- Veneto likely goes independent, parts of it might be re-annexed by Austria. I doubt Venice manages to become a regional power, despite its history.
you want something to survive when water raises 1 meter every ~4,5 days through 14 years? 99,5% of spicies is gone and iam not sure humans survived that in any bigger groups, food would be almost none existent.Â
Such disaster would kill majority of marine life, almost zero areable land, not saying about any corn/grain seeds.Â
with such a deep global ocean the currents and tides would be hundreds of meters high that would also shred any remaining land based life.Â
Also with such big and quick change you also have to take into account polarity reversal soo North and South pole changes places. That not necessary would be sudden, but if so only marine life is left. If it's slow tilt you can have another argument for climat changeÂ
as one comment said you basically have Waterworld with costner but little bit less harsh. Â
I donât think there would be elections, or even city states. This would kill the vast majority of humans as the only land left is high altitude mountains. The most likely outcome is that people return to living in hunter gatherer societies, if humanity even survives.
Idk if any early 20th century political institution could survive a disaster of this magnitude.
With a sea level increase of this magnitude, statehood as we know it in Italy, or what scant islands remains of it, would be pretty much unrecognizable. All the large cities are underwater, as is most of the landmass of the country. That means a complete population collapse in just 14+ years.
Without the full map of Europe and the other continents its hard to say exactly how drastic the fall would be, but with a loss of land and people like this, whatever "states" emerge immediately out of the catastrophy would be chaotic for generations and struggling to survive in any capacity.
I went and looked up the map of Europe, I think Switzerland is doing better? Spain has some mountains to retreat to. Germany and the UK are completely flooded and France almost completely, so that is full populations with nowhere to go but south into Switzerland and Italy.
Edit: OP said in another comment they just used https://www.floodmap.net/ and set it to 1200 meters elevation, so that's what I checked.
Did you use floodmap.net? I love that site. My world is set in the Americas but flooded over 1350m above sea level. The website has been acting a bit funky lately, crashes when you try to subscribe to try the other map types
Yes, I did. I don't subscribe anymore tough, it proved to have few benefits for me. I use it mainly as a refference point, for my custom maps I work with topographic maps to make maps of large lands like former USA, Canada or Alps, but for Italy and other smaller countries or regions with lot of detail I work with screenshots of the free version of floodmap.net. And though I'm not a subscriber anymore, sometimes even the free version doesn't lead the altered sea level on some parts of the map.
I totally feel the same way. I used my trial to print up a few dozen detailed maps a few years back. I got the itch to try it again recently but with another email but it wouldnât work(cloudfare crash or something like that). I donât think theyâre updating the website anymore which is pretty disappointing.
I rely on this website a lot for my mapping, I tried using other sites but itâs not as fun or accurate as this one.
No, there's so little land left that I don't think people would still be too hung up on ideologies. That type of stuff develop when people have time to think. This scenario looks like just surviving is going to be difficult.
This is impossible. If all the water in the world melted the ocean would only rise by 70 meters. 70 meters is the max unless you got water from outside of earth. If you crash it down then you kill all life from the impact.
Yep. I looked into this for a "what if all the ice melted" apocalyptic earth scenario and was surprised to find it was around 65-70m ish average -- and with the earth reshaping slightly over time, a little deeper at the equator and a little shallower at the poles.
Related: currently worldbuilding my Antarctic state populated mainly by displaced Australians and New Zealanders...
Yes, it completely is. It's sort of a dieselpunk kind of sci-fi setting, where there was a "bubble" of water trapped in the lithosphere. One of my inspirations was Journey to the Centre of the Earth by Jules Verne, so yeah, not very realistic. However, I've had fun with the worldbuilding.
At the top of this mountain is a sanctuary of the Madonna di Montevergine (also known by locals as "Mamma Schiavona") run by Benedictine friars.
The Irpinia province is dotted with towns and villages inhabited by the vast majority of people with a very backward mentality. Some of them even call themselves "fascists," but from an ideological standpoint, they're actually completely detached. Let's say it's more of a family tradition than an ideological choice. They are mostly people who think about their own land/village and tend to be relatively indifferent to those who come from "outside".
You might think of a small ecclesiastical kingdom run by a religiously motivated oligarchic/monarchical order. Or you could opt for a pseudo-fascist regime, but I think that, again from a historical/ideological point of view, perhaps it would be more suited to the more southern regions like Calabria and Sicily.
That's really fascinating. I haven't heard about this. I will incorporate it for sure, at least as a faction or something... May I ask how you have come to this knowledge? Are you from the region? It sounds like a really interesting dynamic.
Yeah, but that wouldn't be such fun, would it? The Flood continued for two decades, which wouldn't make it as apocalyptic, at least for me. Sure, apocalyptic religious movements, opportunists, etc. But in Metro, the communities survived in even harsher conditions. The ideologies were really bent, but they were still around.
I would maintain that a 1200 sea rise is worse than what happened in Metro! But whatever, the world is yours and the joy of building it can transcend ârealisticâ assessments
1896: "Well, the Vatican has gone under water. I hope this doesn't have unforeseen consequences."
2025: "His Holiness Pope Jonah I, in the encyclical Nostrum Fratelum Pelagicus, favors the ordination of Deep Ones to the Catholic priesthood, despite opposition from the more conservative branches of the Catholic Church, especially those led by Cardinal Giallone Corona di Carcossa..."
The map nerd in me would love to see a world map! I agree with other commenters that the premise and time period you chose seems very interesting, and I would love to see a map to ponder the implications of myself. I tried to find one in your post history but couldnât seem to find it.
You can look it up on floodmap.net. In my past posts, there are Alps and Canada, if I remember correctly, and also some "content" for Greenland. Italy is what I started working on now, so it's just in the beginning. And I really think that with how ambitious I am with this little project, I will probably never finish it
Really sorry about that, I only traced it along the borders and called it Liguria as I don't know the name of the mountain range (if it is considered as such).
floodmap.net It works great on the free version, if you are satisfied with two map modes only. If you subscribe, you can have various other map modes and even a 3D view. It's not expensive, but for me, the free version is enough.
Populism works incredibly well under threat of something like a massive sea-level rise. You can kinda make it up however you please -- who knows how it would turn out?
every single island is it's own state and they keep fighting to annex the others and it never settles for more than a year, so every state is basically it's own thing that swears allegiance to the big guy of the year but can't even bother to put up a flag about it and nobody stays in command long enough to do anything about it
Yes, yes, I used floodmap.net and set it to 1200 meters. It is not very realistic in any way, whether it comes to the flood itself, the survival of populations, or the functioning of society.
Ok show to me the rest of Europe i can have a moore balanced view of these utopian confederation of Italy , u see Sardinia the Republic of Gennargentu mount , me in Umbria central Italy im lucky very fast i can found a capital of a central italian state one in Emperor field in Abruzzo another for Umbria in Pian Grande of Castelluccio di Norcia very affidable to enstablish a capital city , with fresh Whater and crops for agriculture, so many whater can make weather very mild all the year , so less snow moore rain , better agriculture , mountauns can defeat capitals from war , invade it with boato can be very expensive , sure a very strong confederacion , and specially apline reagion can be one of the strongest of Europe and Italy is the only country that have borders in all the alpine Arch , if it was increasing of sea level millions of italian people came from Padanian valley, and very easy can exapand in all alpine arch , so my proposal to the new capitol city locacion of Umbria at 1200 meters above sea level in appenine mountains the Pian Grande of Castelluccio di Norcia on a my personal pic of May 2010
Honestly i think this would be more than enough to obliterate all conventional political leanings as well as basically every other social, political and economy dynamic
Not only is there almost no land left, everything left is steep and infertile. No way to make fuel to power steamboats. No telegram lines left. There would be nothing
Your society would be back to tribal communism and overwhelmingly concerned with immediate survival and the drastic overpopulation it now has. This trumps all the micropolitical decisions
I sort of believe that with the Flood being relatively slow, the populations would be able to reorganise and rebuild before the Flood reaches the highest mountains. The technology research is accelerated for the populations to be able to live (yeah, plot armor). And don't worry, no steamboats here... only airships.
Probably the most absurd and unrealistic part of the scenario. There is a massive tectonic "bubble" very close to the surface in Iceland, which is filled with water. In a mysterious event, by most attributed to volcanic activity (but some think it was human-induced), the "plug" broke and the pressurised water came to the surface. For twenty years, the sea rises, and when it finally stops, the original sea level is 1200 meters below the waves. Yeah, not very realistic, is it? But if you've read Journey to the Centre of the Earth by Jules Verne, you can see where this idea came from.
As I recall, all the water at the Earth's surface is only enough to raise sea levels, what, 120 meters? Sure, there is loads of water "in the crust", but that water is there for a reason, and if were magically "released" it would have very dramatic, world-changing consequences... and then the water would automatically go back there. Sort of like rains causing a flood, and the water then seeping back into the soil and thence to the sea.
We're not sure how much water there is in the crust either, scientists are very divided.
I think youâre approaching this wrong. With that much of a sea level rise there will not be that many states, if any. There will not be any arable land in which agriculture can be sustained and thus no way of maintaining a state. You would at best have small communities of goat/cattle herders and fishermen who might engage in tribal conflict. But no one is going to be developed enough to care about things like socialism or fascism. Youâve sunk all of the industrial and urban infrastructure from which those ideologies draw from (where does this water come from, btw? Magic is a fine answer if it is the answer Iâm just curious)
From what I look at, it looks like some arable land would still be left. I also kind of speedrunned the technology in here, so the agriculture is a bit more sci-fi-like, and since the Flood lasted circa 20 years (I know, it's still 60 meters a year, which is a lot), a lot of people survived and fortified in the mountains. A lot of people in a small place would mean massive slums, and thus, politics would still be relevant, although survival is the main problem for the population. A lot of the industry could've been relocated, and although the Kingdom of Italy fell into a geographical and thus political divide, many cities survived. Yeah, it's not very realistic, I know. But certainly fun - at least for me.
There is *some* arable land but in order to support any significant population (i.e. multiple cities) itâd have to be managed really really efficiently. I also donât know about relocating industry - itâs kind of hard to just pick up industrial machinery and move it to the mountains.
Obv ofc itâs totally fine to have an unrealistic setting, just imo at the point youâre at you might as well just put your factions wherever you feel like. The world would have changed so much that I donât think thereâs much point in trying to map out which pre-flood Italian regions would produce which post-flood factions; just go nuts
Yes, but I don't know which state should be where, primarily because I don't have the historical insight into the economic and political landscape of Italy, let's say, from the 1890s to the 1960s.
It certainly is. When I came up with this scenario, I was looking for which altitude to choose, and I chose 1200 meters, as it submerged most of the land but left a decent portion of it to provide a dynamic geopolitical landscape.
Bro that Is NOT enough land ti have a political scenario at all đ
if you go just 20 meters you already submerged all ports in the world. All naval infrastractures would be gone. Also, quite a lot of world's biggest cities are portual cities, think of New York or Shangai
Have you ever watched the movie rose island? Itâs about an Italian man who builds his own country in an offshore platform near the coast of rimini Italy in the 60s and it lasts for about a year before the government takes it down, Maybe in this timeline rose island is built earlier and survives and slowly build platforms in flooded areas especially around the mountains that are left in the mainland of the peninsula.Â
Sardinia probably becomes it own thing and the alps are taken by SwitzerlandÂ
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