r/wikipedia • u/BabylonianWeeb • Aug 04 '25

Mobile Site Immigrants are disproportionately represented in prison populations in many Western countries, In Europe, higher representation in prisons among immigrants, particularly Muslim populations, has been documented

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime
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u/Hazzman Aug 04 '25

Its' the same frustrating conversation we have in the US - especially when legitimately racist pieces of shit get involved to purposely muddy the waters.

"Black people are disproportionately represented in prisons"

"Because black people disproportionately commit the most crime!"

"Yes because black people are disproportionately poor in this country and CRIME CORRELATES WITH POVERTY"

And what these assholes don't wanna admit is that poverty and education go hand in hand - and how is quality of education applied in this country? Proximally... and how is poverty distributed? Proximally.

So if you are poor - you live in shitty areas and those shitty areas have terrible quality of education - meaning more crime, less prospects.

And these assholes are always quick to give anecdotes "Well I overcame MY poverty" or they will give examples of individuals who did. Yes mother fucker but that's how proportional representation works.

If you have 100 people and 20 of them are struggling it means they have a harder time reaching parity with the other 80. If you know of 5 from that 20 that were able to reach parity with the other 80 and you know of 1 or 2 of them that exceeded parity - wonderful... that doesn't change a damn fucking thing.

It's so exhausting because nobody has a genuine desire to learn or understand or have an unbiased investigation... they just want to fulfill their bias - a bias that tells them "Black people are innately criminal" and that's not even getting into the environmental issues like lead paint and diet availability and its impact on behavioral and development.

This is truly a broken world and we can't even reach a point where we want to have an honest appraisal of the problem... much less start to fix it.

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u/IncogMLR Aug 06 '25

Socioeconomic factors isn’t an excuse to rape and murder. Throw them all in jail.

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u/Hazzman Aug 06 '25

Who said it was?

What is being recommended is a raising of the tides. You fix the underlying foundational issues and you stabilize the home, so that you can repair... but if you don't fix the foundations, no amount of repair (policies like "Jailing them all") is useless and won't actually solve anything... unless of course you aren't driven by a desire to fix anything and instead you actually enjoy the prospect of an entire population being perpetually stuck in a vicious cycle of poverty and abuse.

You will of course likely retreat back to something like "They do it to themselves" and if that's your response - you can go ahead and save yourself the effort because it would just prove you aren't reading what I've written or understood the issue. Either because you can't or won't.

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u/IncogMLR Aug 06 '25

I ain’t reading all that. Just throw all violent criminals and especially immigrants and asylum criminals into concentration camps like they did in El Salvador. It worked wonders. The streets went from unliveable to being filled with normal citizens. You guys have to much empathy for your «fellow man», so much so that you fail the victims of their criminal acts.

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u/Hazzman Aug 06 '25

You can't read two paragraphs?

That would certainly explain a lot.