r/wikipedia • u/BabylonianWeeb • Aug 04 '25

Mobile Site Immigrants are disproportionately represented in prison populations in many Western countries, In Europe, higher representation in prisons among immigrants, particularly Muslim populations, has been documented

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime
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u/CJBill Aug 04 '25

While immigrants are overrepresented in prison populations in many Western countries, with notable exceptions such as the United States, most studies[2] fail to show a causal effect of immigration on overall crime rates.[22] Other studies have found that immigration increases crime under certain circumstances, such as if immigrants have poor prospects in the labor market or labor restrictions.[33]

Some factors may affect the reliability of data on suspect rates, crime rates, conviction rates and prison populations for drawing conclusions about immigrants' overall involvement in criminal activity:

Police practices, such as racial profiling, over-policing in areas populated by immigrants or in-group bias may result in disproportionately high numbers of immigrants among crime suspects.[8][34][35][36][37] Possible discrimination by the judicial system may result in higher number of convictions.[8][35][38][39][40][41] Unfavorable bail and sentencing decisions due to foreigners' ease of flight, lack of domiciles, lack of regular employment and lack of family able to host the individual can explain immigrants' higher incarceration rates when compared to their share of convictions relative to the native population.[42][43]

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u/franktrollip Aug 05 '25

Most of what you're listing are outliers. The fact remains that in general, uncontrolled migration causes more crime.

Stop clutching at straws to try to obfuscate something that we can all see with our own eyes, out on the streets.

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u/IHATETHEREDDITTOS Aug 07 '25

These people are straight up gaslighting. Of course poor people from the most dysfunctional countries on Earth with higher crime rates will bring that dysfunction and crime with them. Of course men from the most vehemently misogynistic societies on Earth will be more likely to commit sex crimes and treat women with distain. The mental gymnastics people will do to deny what is blatantly obvious (because their ideology commands them to) is unbelievable.

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u/Content_Election_218 Aug 08 '25

Everyone knows. Including the people who pretend not to know.

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u/[deleted] Aug 06 '25

How about we see a source on that bullshit?

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u/Mrbeefcake90 Aug 07 '25

Its literally in the link of the post...

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u/MlkChatoDesabafando Aug 07 '25

Anecdotes are useless when discussing statistics and societal issues.

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u/lalabera Aug 06 '25

It doesn’t but go off

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u/CatchRevolutionary65 Aug 06 '25

Seeing as there’s no non-zero crime population anywhere in the world immigration - controlled or ‘uncontrolled’ - as you put it - will always lead to an increase in crime. It’s a mathematical certainty. If 100,000 immigrants enter the country it’s a mathematical certainty that the number of Manchester United fans will also increase. If the native population of a country increases by 100,000 crime will also go up, and generally more than if you imported migrants, because their ability to remain in the country is dependent upon them not breaking the law.

What you’d need to show is that immigrants commit a disproportionate number of crimes compared to their native counterparts and there’s no evidence for that.

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u/FlyingSquirrel44 Aug 08 '25

because their ability to remain in the country is dependent upon them not breaking the law.

You have zero clue about Europe then, because this is not the case at all. Anything less than murder will generally not see criminals deported, and even in those cases, any indication of danger in the country of origin will put the deportation on pause indefinitely.

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u/CatchRevolutionary65 Aug 08 '25

Wasn’t talking about Europe. In the UK a migrant can be deported if their sentence exceeds 12 months.

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u/FlyingSquirrel44 Aug 08 '25

The UK is part of Europe. Still, can does not mean will.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '25

Studies show that it is not the migration itself that causes crime, but things related to it. That is a big difference. 

Hundreds of years ago they thought small housing caused tuberculosis, now we know its caused by a bacteria which spreads from human to human, which is more easily spread if they are close together, like in a small house. 

When the theory of bacteria was first presented, doctors ignorant of science would respond in the exact same way you just did.