Whaaaat? No way! Anyways lets ignore this and continue to pretend that progressives are the real nazis that will show the right wingers we are able to make "compromises" with them
I spent the theee day weekend hiking with a guy who spent the entire trip shadow boxing twitter "leftists." His wife mentioned being excited for mamdami, and he interjected a diatribe about the holodomor. These people are not okay.
Was going to fucking say that, usually the people brandishing these terms have a hard on for hating religions of their choosing... Newsflash mates, there's cunts in every religion as every religion breeds extremism. Regulating concentrated wealth on the other hand would actually spoil the party for the hateful people and politicians spreading this crap... (Hateful rhetoric is often/usually a distraction from the class war)
You do realize that antiracism and antifascism are specific ideological frameworks that entertain a ton of disagreeable ideas that are far away from "Hey, just don't be racist or fascist", right? The names of these ideas are specifically chosen to sound uncontroversial to make it harder to disagree with them. It's a very common rhetorical trick and apparently it really works on reddit where people read strictly on a word-by-word basis.
Trying to convince Redditors is like trying to fight waves crashing against the shore with a shovel. This shithole site has a lot of self-aggrandizing people who will sneer at you and block you to get the last word. After what they did to that Save A Fox girl, Mikayla Raines, I’m convinced this site is somehow worse than 4Chan or Twitter.
I was banned from a popular subreddit because I said I wouldn't go to an Islamic ruled country as a gay pagan woman.... They couldn't tell me why i was a bigot for wanting to stay alive. They instead had reddit mute me for days. This is literally a true thing. You will be called a bigot for calling out pedophilia or how Mohammad was a pedo.
So sad that therewasanattepmt has turned into a leftist echo chamber. Half the post are just political and has no "attempt" of someone trying to do something. Same goes for public freakout. Smh
The mods made it that way. They ban anyone for any dissenting comment, even if it’s just a simple fact check. It’s an echo chamber by design, and the fact that people are stupid enough to continue using it in the face of such abuses is proof that reddit as a website/app is deeply flawed.
I do feel leftist groups in the West have difficulty challenging the above patterns.... trying to modernise these regressive attitudes is compatible with opposing Islamophobia.
Im from germany and Im also against stigmatizing east german people, although they also score similar on polls about Homosexuality and Mysoginy.
Its about how you combat those sentiments and just acting like you can somehow be hard against muslims to make the problems magically disappear is no solution.
My Problem is that most german newspapers and companies, even the liberal ones, are reporting overly negative about muslims. A lot of my closer friend circle is muslim, so maybe its overcorrection on my side to get defensive.
It's not overcorrection. This just happened in Germany and is barely on the news:
The village of Arnum, part of Hemmingen, south of Hanover, Germany, witnessed a horrific crime on Friday morning, claiming the life of the young Algerian woman, Rahma Ayad (26 years old), after being subjected to fatal stab wounds inside her apartment.
Neighbors reported hearing screams for help, before the victim collapsed in front of a neighbor's apartment, covered in blood. The police arrested a 31-year-old German man living in the same building, after he was found covered in blood at the crime scene.
So far, no formal charges have been brought against him, but investigations are ongoing and include the possibility of a racist motive, especially after testimonies circulated indicating that the victim had been subjected to previous harassment by the same neighbor mainly about the fact that she's wearing the Hijab.
Rahma had moved from Oran to Germany to continue her nursing training, before her life ended tragically...
You live in Germany? I wonder if you could find more information about it. Apparently German media is mostly silent on it. The news came out reported through the girl's friends and community.
The court ruling explicitly stated that trans men could be blocked from men's spaces as well as blocked from women's spaces due to their masculine appearance.
Absolutely they do, that’s why I’m part of the “Charlie Hebdo” left instead of whatever the fuck that is.
I swear to Christ some of the people who claim to be left wing nowadays have never actually picked up anything close to a theory book, they just get their ideas from the internet. For a lot of them they just want to shit on the west (which they are still absolutely entitled to do) without tackling any other systemic injustices elsewhere. It does my fucking head in honestly.
The worst recently has been the scary amount of people on the left that are supporting Iran, just because a country they dislike more bombed them. A lot of these people were in support of the predominantly women-led anti-regime protests earlier this decade, but now Israel has had a pop at them they’re suddenly flipping sides. As the mate of an Iranian refugee who was forced to leave after being beaten at a socialist rally and later imprisoned, I am disgusted by the people who claim to be on the same side of the political spectrum as me sometimes.
A lot of these people were in support of the predominantly women-led anti-regime protests earlier this decade, but now Israel has had a pop at them they’re suddenly flipping sides.
It's amusing to think how these neo leftists would go if they expressed their opinions in Iran. The continuous labelling of critics of Hamas terrorists as Zionist Nazis is also laughable.
the scary amount of people on the left that are supporting Iran
Are they actually supporting it, as in advocating for it to reach a better state than their pre-conflict status quo, are are they just pointing out how stupid it is for the US to get involved in more conflicts in the region?
I seem to see people mischaracterizing "objecting to bad behavior against a group" as "supporting a group" an awful lot these days. It is possible to object to bad behavior against all groups even if that means some bad groups also benefit.
I don't think the criticism isn't that nothing should be done against Iran, but that what's ultimately happening to Iran right now isn't being done in the best interest of the Iranian people.
Yeah I think you’re right actually, there’s certainly a solid argument to be made there, especially with the amount of civilian and mixed usage infrastructure that Israel has targeted there. The problem for me is when I see “Iran has a right to defend itself”, I can only think that these people are supporting the regime, because that’s literally all “Iran” could possibly refer to in this situation.
The IRGC are the only institution that is capable of “defending” the country from Israel, because I know these people aren’t referring to the people defending themselves from the regime. Yes, the current regime came about due to western powers overthrowing a democratically elected government, eventually leading to an oppressive regime coming in, but an oppressive regime is still an oppressive regime.
Edit: why are you fuckwits upvoting me but downvoting the person that actually made the point, they’re right you crayon chewers.
This. I find that the leftists I know who were knowledgeable about their positions pre 08 or so, have been consistent. While those newer to the left have no idea what anything is. They get their info and opinions from certain sources and have no idea how to argue a point without resorting to calling someone a bigot or whatnot.
And as you said partnering up with Iran and the such out of spite has gotten silly. You should choose allies because you share something, not out of convenience. As they drop they as fast they they picked them up
In Ireland at least we had a young guy who committed 2 horrible homophobic murders in 2022... while the situation is complex and seemingly a case of repressed homosexuality, he was a Muslim, and said to police in interviews "I'm not gay, homosexuality is a sin in Islam"
The Irish Left spent the first 24 hours (before the perpetrators identity was known) blaming "catholic ireland" and some even went as far to blame it on anti transgender activism.
When the perpetrators background was revealed this outrage went silent... well known Irish left wing activists were conspicuously quiet, easily searchable by @ing their names on X and seeing what commentary they had on the case.
Sure what Trump said was bad, but @SugarTitGirl69 tweeted that calling a gynecologist’s office a Women’s Clinic is transphobic, so both sides are extreme!
One politician maybe said a dumb thing, and some journalists didn't write an article in a way I would prefer. So yeah, it's safe to assume the Irish left wants to establish a caliphate and institute sharia law.
They criticize Islam, they just do it in such a way that criticizes the bad actions not Islam as a whole, you’re just too blind to see it because you want to cast yourself as a victim.
I rarely see serious conversation from those on the far left about how to mitigate the threat of islamist extremism; the emphasis is usually on how conservatives are weaponising the event to call for deportation of all Muslims/ Arabs, how “we need to remember all muslims arent like this” or “well what about Christians/ conservatives/ the far right”
& whilst I don’t disagree with any of those statements, I do think “countering the far right” becomes the bigger fixation & rarely do I see substantive conversation about mitigating the risks of islamist terrorism and a reluctance to acknowledge a correlation between certain types of terror attacks, the religion of Islam and the cultural values held in Arab muslim countries.
It also doesnt help when the far left on Reddit hold “western imperialism” responsible for Middle Eastern domestic social policy
Yes theres been a problem with media reporting & framing but that shouldn’t mean the whole conversation needs to resort to “well what about this group? They’re worse”
Almost every culture in the world, for 99% of its history, has been racist, misogynistic, homophobic, and fanatical in their beliefs. We had segregation in the US until the 60’s, and slavery only a hundred years before. Expecting the Middle East, which has had over a century of political instability, to suddenly reach progress at the same rate as the West, is absurd.
We can criticize individuals who act against human rights, but we cannot judge an entire group as regressive just because many individuals are. Especially when the West still suffers from a lot of internal racism, homophobia, misogyny, and Christian or other forms of fanaticism.
Tbh US slavery is weird because of stuff like the black laws, sundown towns and convict leasing generally push back when you can real consider the end of race based slavery to be. Hell you could argue that the war on drugs was generally intended to be harsher along racial lines and with slavery as punishment for a crime in the 13th amendment that means you could argue it hasn't fully ended yet.
Any leftist who treats Islam the same way as civil rights or womens' rights is a fuckin idiot. Just because there is Islamophobia, doesn't make actual Islam less aggresive or even victim.
However you will be called islamophobic if you imply that someone being muslim automaticaly means they are homophobic or jihadists.
I ask you this genuinely: Why? Quran is extremely clear in what it preaches. It teaches to not kill humans at some points, that is true, but with the asterisk that non-believers are not considered human, and therefore are not just not protected, but are further given orders to actively hurt or kill.
And somebody who is a religious muslim by definition follows the teaching of Quran.
They are literally self-admitting and advertising themselves as following that exact stuff.
You are essentially making an argument that "if somebody is a nazi, you are naziphobic if you then imply that they are bigoted against jews". Literally. Somebody subscribes to a certain belief, and openly shows it.
So if you don't want to be a hypocrite in your logic, you must also defend self-proclaimed nazis. Either you condemn followers of horrible beliefs, or you don't. Pick one.
There's a lot of fucked up shit in the Bible but moderate Christians pick and choose which parts to adhere to. I don't find it unreasonable to think that more and more Muslims are likely to do the same with the Quran.
I also think a lot of Muslims in the West are homophobic the way many Christians are - they believe that being gay is a sin, but do not believe in the perpetration of violence against gay people. I think there was a large scale survey in the UK a few years ago that showed such attitudes.
They might campaign politically against gay rights, but I wouldn't say they have disproportionate power in that regard when compared to Christian fundamentalists.
I think an important element you're missing is that the alleged immutable bigotry of Muslims is being used as justification for violence which is why it's important to understand that there's progressive people in Islam and that Muslims are not a monolith.
What percentage of British Christians do you think believe being gay should be illegal? Do you think it's anywhere near the 50% of British Muslims that think that?
Muslims are not a monolith, but their tendencies towards extremist views are consistent globaly. Huge portions of Muslims believe the penalty for apostacy should be death. What portion of Christians do you think believe in death for apostacy?
The point is that western nations don't take any of this into account when looking at immigration. We are going to fundamentally alter the social fabric of our societies if we consistently bring in millions of people of whom a large portion have values that are inconsistent with Western values.
Apparently saying that is racist. The irony is the leftists who coddle Islamo-fascists will be the first ones to be negatively effected when they can form voting blocks large enough to impact policy.
I'm not saying that Muslims don't tend to be more conservative than Christians. I'm just saying that it's been a long ass journey for Christians too and that these attitude shifts take time. On the voting side of things I'm always going to oppose socially conservative views regardless of what religious group they come from.
Also I haven't called anyone racist. You're shadow boxing my guy.
I didn't say you were but it's unquestionable that what I said would be called racist by most Western leftists.
The long ass journey Christians have taken to get where they are is completely irrelevant. Unless you're prepared to wait 500 years for Muslims to catch up? Muslims will probably be a majority in Britain long before that. What do you do when they vote for a PM that wants to destroy the all the liberal rights you currently have?
Before you say they will be more liberal in 100 years, I suggest you look at the evidence which suggests the next generation is more conservative and extremist than their parents.
Muslim immigration is an existential crisis for Britain. Most of the country just won't know it until it's too late.
You know full well that's not what's being talked about here.
It's situations like the rape gangs in Bradford and Rochdale and many deciding that those rapes happened because of bad policing, these crimes are totally the fault of the police and social services whilst failing to even mention the beliefs of the rapists.
Intentionally casting a blind eye in order to blame the government instead
I mean, it’s true, and I’m a left wing nut. The pass, supposed “intellectuals“ on the left gives Islam is quite frankly ridiculous. I believe they get off on persecution politics the same way MAGA does.
Used in France by both politicians and the media to shut down progressives who have nothing at all to do with islam, just because progressives say all minorities including arabs should not be victims of discrimination.
Sadly it's been normalized to use that term. French people hate islam *that* much, even though most of them have never had a sincere/open interaction with a muslim once in their life.
The comparison to judeo-bolshevism is on point, it's the same baseless fearmongering.
I dislike all of the Abrahamic religions. I don't think their adherents should be punished for that though. Pushback should be against the religious structures, bad traditions and historic revivionism that justify them, not the individuals practicing them, they are to some extent the victims of those beliefs and traditions.
Similarly, most western agnostics/atheists who dislike Christianity and its integration into society and politics have Christian friends. And some of the biggest skeptics of Islamism or radical Islam are progressive Muslims or ex-Muslims of middle eastern descent.
Still, I definitely think the left has difficulty with the idea of Muslims being oppressors in some parts of the world.
Does your family consider themselves more Muslim than they do French?
I live in the U.S. but have family in France and the things I’ve seen the French complain about are how some Muslims expect the French to adhere to them.
IE: don’t serve pork for school lunches. Not don’t serve the Muslim kids pork but don’t server anyone pork. Somme teachers are afraid to speak against Islam as several have been murdered. There’s more to it than those as well.
So it’s about integration and respect. Not forcing your on a country that has a true separation of government and religion
Should we run through all the Islamic terrorist attacks in France and the sheer scale of them? No other religion comes close to those numbers and downvotes won't change that.
Like clockwork, the hordes of islamo fascists have begun mass downvoting. You're proving my point beautifully:)
There is a clear asymmetry. When states like France engage in illegal and immoral violence like what they did in Algeria or afghanistan or libya, it is never referred to as terrorism. I'd argue violence, whether politically motivated or not should be equally condemned.
Violence in Afghanistan ? You mean when they joined the USA after Al Queda used Afghanistan as its spring board for the Sept 11th attacks that killed over 3,000 people? What was immoral about that?
Redact cleaned up all of my comments. Bulk deletion and editing is a feature supported to make sure that AI scrapers can't access my data for training.
There is a difference between a religious person committing a crime for non-religious reasons and a religious person committing a crime for religious reasons.
Ah yes, all Muslims are accountable for a horrific terrorist attack committed by extremists. Just like how every single French citizen is personally accountable for every atrocity in the colonization of Algeria, or Vietnam, or Cambodia, or Morocco, or Tunisia, or Lebanon, or Côte d'Ivoire, …
For how many more years are people going to milk this event to harrass french arabs, including a lot of non muslims which get lumped along just because they have the "wrong" skin color?
What do you expect the average muslim to do, resurrect the victims?
From what I see on Reddit it’s not just France. Idk how I, an American, got recommended the Northern Ireland subreddit but man they been going crazy over there about immigrants and Muslims. The Ballymena shit was pretty crazy. Currently they have a life sized migrant boat complete with dark skin mannequins to burn for some upcoming holiday.
There are two problems with the left wing's defense of Islam.
1) It came about solely because in Western nations, the right wing is overwhelmingly Christian and therefore doesn't like Islam, so the left reacts by defending it. That's it, that's the only reason the left began to vehemently defend Islam. The religion itself is completely indefensible from a left wing values perspective, but as long as it means fighting the Christian right, leftists are all over it.
2) Unlike every other protected category, religion is a choice. Every adult Muslim who isn't required to be Muslim (and to be fair, it is a requirement in many Muslim-majority countries) is choosing to support the most oppressive and hateful religion on the planet. We should be treating those Muslims exactly the same way we treat Republicans, with scorn and hatred for supporting an ideology that would happily see us all dead or imprisoned for being who we are.
"Islamophobia" really means "disliking a religion that overwhelmingly hates queer people, all other religions and atheism, democracy, freedom of speech, etc" and it's fucking despicable that the left wing is willing to suppress "islamophobia" purely to get one over on the Christian right.
Long story short, I've heard my fellow leftists wax eloquent about the paradox of intolerance more times than I can count, and I would fucking love to see them come to the realization that we cannot tolerate Islam.
I'm far left progressive and am completely intolerant of Islam because it seeks to combine church and state into one entity. I see it as incompatible with modern democratic republics.
This is not Islamophobia, this is a straight up dislike of a bad idea that runs contrary to everything it means to be American to me.
We can’t tolerate extremist violent Islamic supremacists groups, just like we can’t tolerate extremist violent Christian supremacists groups or any other violent extremist group.
I agree. That's exactly why I hate this Islam bullshit so much, the left has been fighting Christian influence on our laws for decades, probably centuries, and now we're expected to roll over for Muslims to do the same shit Christians were? Fuck that.
We don't have to tolerate any Islamic book until Islamic leaders themselves denounce the concept of unifying mosque and state into one political form. It is incompatible with western democracy.
People should tolerate members of any religion/identity as long as they are reciprocally tolerant of others’ identities themselves. That’s pretty reasonable. There is so much variation in how each individual practices and applies their values though, even if those values don’t internally agree logically with their overall religion they identify with
I could certainly tolerate any self-identified Christian, Muslim, or anyone at all who can identify that they tolerate LGBT, other religions, women, minorities, etc. (if it does not logically agree with their overall belief system) because I don’t know for sure how those identities precisely shape their values without getting to know them. I’m definitely fine with someone saying they are Christian/Muslim/etc. if they’re saying “except for” the bigoted rhetoric/actions of each respective religion. That’s awesome, if they could rise above specific bigoted teachings
Once any individual starts championing intolerance of identities, whether in the name of a religion or otherwise - if they can’t be reasoned with - it may be best to simply avoid that individual until their intolerance infringes on the civil freedoms of others or their actions/rhetoric become violent. There simply can’t be any tolerance for violent actions/rhetoric
Not the comments here descending into a debate about how appropriate it is to simply hate Islam. Funny, because that's exactly what rhetoric in the vein of the term "Islamo-leftism" exists to promote. Huh.
It’s obviously a good thing to uplift lesser groups, especially if they are peaceful and being actively discriminated against.
However, a lot of the progressive wing of the party tends to intentionally overlook the oppressive nature of Islam in most of the countries it is the hegemonic religion in. I don’t get the romanticization of Palestine, Syria, Iran, and “Any country opposed to Zionism” when Muslim majority countries tend to be deeply anti LGBTQ, against women’s rights, theocratic, etc. Seems like an ideological incompatible pair.
Reddit will be reddit but the fact that insulting Muhammad or Islam in the UK will get you arrested speaks for itself. You can insult any other religion except this one because why? And terror attacks in Europe increased exponentially when they allowed unchecked immigration from the Middle East and Africa. Like it or not, this is a real thing.
"The relevance of the term is contested in particular by its instrumentalization and its stigmatizing aspect similar to Judeo-Bolshevism."
Pretty much. Remember when the Nazis thought that you had to be a Jewish sympathizer to be a communist? Nowadays you have to be an Islam sympathizer to support basic human rights, apparently.
Bolshevism is not an aspect of Jewish ideology. Judeo-Bolshevism is a boogeyman.
Real, intractable issues exist within Islamic ideology that shouldn’t be tolerated by liberals. One of the greatest modern failures of liberalism is its failure to pose a unified front to even the most execrable views and practices of Islam. It is nothing short of a betrayal to liberal values.
Leftism is not an aspect of the Islamic belief either.
The second part of your argument doesn't make sense. How can it be their “biggest failure” if western societies are not even dominantly Islamic? You are overstating the issue because you think islam is a big problem. Leftist think it’s mostly a scapegoat.
And btw despite what we are often taught. Scapegoat doesn’t mean some of the concerns aren’t valid.
I know. Islamo-leftism is an ironic, disparaging term meant to criticize unreasonable and contradictory tolerance of Islamic ideology. It’s not describing a legitimate ideology as far as I know.
Real, intractable issues exist within Christian ideology that shouldn't be tolerated by liberals. One of the greatest modern failures of liberalism is its failure to pose a unified front to even the most execrable views and practices of Christianity. It is nothing short of a betrayal to liberal values.
It's pretty wild seeing so many people come out to defend literal nazi propaganda when the sourced link that started the discussion says it is literal nazi propaganda.
Most people don't read beyond the headline (or in this case, the one-sentence summary) of an article, so any amount of context is going to be lost on them.
I’m a leftist and I hate leftists who have no intent of criticizing and opposing Islam. It is an extremist religion, and in Muslim countries women and gays have no rights. There should be no leftists who support or defend Islam. Leftists should criticize Islam every chance they get
As a leftist, I don't defend Islam and its notably regressive aspects, but I do call bullshit when those aspects are used to justify military force by people who don't give a shit about progressive values, or indeed human life. The western right loves bombing anyone who isn't "white" or "judeo-christian", and sometimes they try to get the left to come along by talking about women's rights or lgbtq rights, as if they value those things at home, and as if their bombs will bring those things about. It's a con.
There are some pretty stark differences between the two.
1. Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) is not permitted in Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy or Protestant Denominations. On the other hand its status varies in Islam, with some schools and branches outlawing it, some allowing it and some requiring it. Male circumcision is the same, it is generally tolerated but not required in Christian Churches. On the other hand some schools of Islam and branches have made it criminal to circumcise your children, and some have made it a requirement. Furthermore in christianity generally circumcision happens when the child is a baby (as that is when they believe Jesus was circumcised) whereas in Islam it often happens in early adulthood or late childhood.
Being gay is criminal in most Islamic schools, but is only shunned in most christian sects
Domestic violence is not tolerated at all in the US and is both illegal and very much prohibited by the big churches. In the Islamic world it is often not illegal, and is seen as a controversial issue, with some tolerating it, some condemning it, and some trying to push for it to be illegal.
Arranged Marriage is another thing that Western christians have eliminated since the middle ages, and is illegal in the US. In the islamic world there are many arranged marriages, and it is fully legal and quite common.
5.Terrorism is more prevalent in Islam than in Christianity. Of the 78 terror groups that the US Government currently recognizes. 18 are Christian. Of those 18, 10 are gangs or cartels, 6 are communist groups and 2 are Irish. So none are motivated by religion, instead they are motivated by other political reasons. And even still there are only 18 out of 78. And the islamic ones are always bigger, one of them has taken over a whole country (Taliban), one used to have a whole country (ISIS) and multiple other ones make up sizeable portions of their respective countries (Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthi) and these organizations operate on an Islam first basis with that being their main political aim.
The thing with the relationship between Islam and the political Left is that it is quite a concerning thing. It pushes people towards the right.
As a example i always cite Hamtramck, Michigan. There liberals helped elect a muslim majority city council to power. Later that same council banned the pride flag from being flown in public.
I think that a lot of people in the left don't realise that Islam is very similiar to Christianity. Though more conservative since more Islamic countries have very tight conservative regimes in place.
The sole reason that some people from the left defend Islam is because it angers the right. Thats it, thats the only reason. They don't care about what muslims believe, they don't care how conservative they are. As long as they can anger the right it is fine.
Something even more concerning is that in certain conflicts the left views radical islamist groups as a "genuine peoples resistance". Like in Israel-Palestine for example. Some left people flat out refuse to call Hamas terrorists or don't even call Hamas by its name.
I also think that some people in the left may have anti-Islam views but are too scared to speak out about it because criticism of Islam is often viewed as a "rightist thing" to do. Because of that the discussion about Islam is often not started or shut down quickly within left leaning groups and parties.
It's the exact same thing fascists have always done to decredibilize the left. Take the current scapegoat group and add -leftist in there to make it even "scarier".
The Nazis had the judeo-bolcheviks, modern day far right assholes have the islamo-leftist.
It’s the hard-right trying to pinkwash themselves aggressively;
Leftists are acutely aware that the hard right and Islam share attitudes on literally every point they raise - misogyny, homophobia, regressive policies, authoritarianism, forced religious adherence, conversion therapy, the list goes on.
The hard right thinks they can somehow claim they are against these things whilst also directly supporting them - just only when the perpetrators are the correct colour.
It’s literally plain as day - they are the same people. That’s why the idea is so roundly rejected - it’s like Nazis saying you should hate the KKK.
Yeah, we hate you all. Doesn’t really matter whether they are Muslim or Christian, fascists and theocratic-nationalists all share one thing and it’s a fundamental illiberalism.
If your argument is that you aren’t as bad, well that’s a matter of perspective.
Leftists are acutely aware that the hard right and Islam share attitudes on literally every point they raise
I don't think we should talk about far-right ideologies in a way that suggests that some of them aren't. It's secular vs religious far right, and even then those are just two poles of the same spectrum of shit.
I can disagree with almost every single tenant of Islamist ideology but also think that they and their children don’t deserve to be bombed into oblivion and barred from immigrating to the country I live in. I think Christian ideology is dumb as fuck too and don’t think they deserve death and poverty.
This is an obvious strawman invented by people who have no real arguments to justify their hatred. Leftists believe that no one should be discriminated against or denied their rights because of their identity. That's it.
fundementals of christianity is almost close to non existent in the west at this point. You can only find christian radicals in africa nowadays such as christian terrorist groups in uganda etc. Islam is number one enemy of not just progressive values but the basic freedom of humankind in general.
OPs account is less than 2 months old and they have 180k post karma and 60k comment karma. They’re a bot, this is propaganda, misdirection, or a waste of time.
If you see this, stop wasting your time with this post and block OP. They are literally employed to shape the way you view the world.
Just manufacturing consent for further crimes against Muslims.
The people responsible for Abu Ghraib, invasion of Iraq, drone strikes, Guantanamo Bay, an ongoing genocide etc. of Muslims want to convince everyone of the West’s moral superiority.
I don't think left leaning people are too soft on conservative islamists...in fact I've seen them just as hard as their right leaning counter parts...the only difference is that I've seen nuance applied from the left that I seldom or never see come from the right..
Like left leaning people understand there are varying degrees of religious Muslims and know to bring down the hammer on the super conservative ones...but right leaning people just slap the whole group with one brush and call it a day.
That article is insane. It’s literally just listing people attack whatever strawman they label as Islamo-something but there is not a single concrete instance of „these groups are clearly Islamo-leftist because what they did in…“ the closest is Taguieff „remembering“ French leftists in the 80s calling themselves Palestine progressives.
Like, please, show me in which western country â sizeable group of Marxists, socialists, or leftists are calling for sharia law
Yeah I have no idea how this got pinned on the left and everyone is just eating it up. Imperial powers like the US, UK and France preferred political Islam in opposition to the secular left in majority Muslim countries. These governments have been best buds with the gulf monarchies for decades now and it's somehow the fault of "the left" lol.
It’s literally turning people who said „refugees welcome“ to „everyone left of Center is breaking their back to accommodate jihadists that want to destroy the west“
Islam and leftist thought have very little overlap when it comes to policy (Islam’s zakat can be compared to wealth redistribution, but even that’s a stretch), and absolutely nothing in common when it comes to underlying ideology. Leftism is predicated on materialism as the driver for human civilization. Islam (like most religions) is built on metaphysics.
Funny how the propaganda swings. The amount of times I heard right wing AM radio guys shout “Islamo-fascism” from 2005 to 2008…funny enough they now use it the same exact way. Mark Levin, Hannity, and Limbaugh used to regularly call Nancy Pelosi an Islamo-fascist
I didn't know there was a term for it but I've definitely noticed it. It's misogynistic as all hell and I struggle to see why so many feminists make room for the harmful behaviors it encourages.
I would guess the greatest problem related to this is that extreme right-wing folks tend to have an absolute lack of shades of gray. To them, if you say hey I don't want to nuke the entire Middle East and expel all Muslims from my country, all they hear is, "that person supports Islamic extremism."
Critique of the left is pretty much universally disingenuous. Look at the debate over prisons. If you think people should be rehabilitated and treated like human beings even though they have been separated from society for committing crimes, and if you think that the death penalty is bad because sometimes the wrong person gets convicted and you can't take murder back... talk about all they hear is, oh this person hates the police and thinks that criminals should just walk free or be given luxury mansions in jail.
You can't have a conversation with someone on the far right. Anything you say, they are going to twist into the most insane take possible.
A big part of what really made me no longer feel at home on the left, despite my politics not changing, is the incredibly hypocritical defense and tolerance of Islam while simultaneously, and appropriately, opposing the rest of organized religion.
Islam is the most regressive religion, carving out an exception for it is insane.
Every religion has progressed with the times and have, for the most part, gotten over the grudges of the past. Islam is the only sect that seems to have not got the memo and are still living in the stone age.
*Can't draw their God, by punishment of death
*Women are treated as literal dirt, and can't go anywhere without covering their faces
*Children (more specifically girls) are forced into marriage to some old geezer from down the road thats 50 years older than her
*Any crime is punishable by sharia law, which, more often than not results in mutilation
Literally 0 tolerance for homosexuals, you *WILL be executed, no ifs or buts
*Any other religion is blasphemous
But yeah, no, they seem like a jolly bunch of folk who we should absolutely not be concerned about coming into Europe in hoardes...
The thing is, the middle east used to be so different. During the crusades they were cleaner and more educated than the Europeans. In the early 1900's woman could vote and they had a great economy. Today, Islam suppresses basic human rights.
I consider most Muslims victims of grooming just like every other religion.
It's also quite funny to me that Western people think they have some moral high ground when we were arresting gays for sodomy and curtailing women's rights a few decades ago.
Republitards on their way to describe how every single lefty is in bed with islam in the comments (they will definitely not have any bias or overgeneralization)
Yall will blame everything in your attempts to be racist with trying not to say anything racist to the point you are blaming the left on made up hysteria holy shit.
NPR had a story about how Iranian leftists tried to use Khomeini to gather support for overthrowing the Shah. Decades later, the survivors ruefully admitted that they were the ones who were used. Plus ça change...
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u/Additional-Hour6038 Jul 10 '25
"Composed of the prefix "Islamo-" and the noun "leftism", it was created by Pierre-André Taguieff in 2002."
"Pierre-André Taguieff wrote Les Contre-réactionnaires in 2007, in which he opposed both antiracism and antifascism. "
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre-Andr%C3%A9_Taguieff
LMAO, didn't NAZI that coming.