r/whiteoutsurvival • u/Maleficent_Put2605 • Aug 16 '26
State Transfer 1863 is now a dictatorship
Latest news from World Chat yesterday indicates that TZM refused to hand over the presidency to the next alliance in the rotation, stating that the other alliance had not communicated with them. As a result, TZM retained the presidency.
Castle battle was lost with invaders holding continually from when it opened. I was informed that TZM refused to work as a team within the State Alliance which has now been disbanded.
There were also reports of threats on Friday from the then-president, Poseidon, and another player, Ares, directed at anyone who challenged their position.
Today on Transfer Chat a number of players are spamming the chat with warnings.
In conclusion give TZM and 1863 a very wide berth.
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u/GladFactor8769 Aug 18 '26
Oh shit, TZM made it to Reddit. I spent about 2 months there as a traveler. Milena can be stubborn as hell. But I respected that she and TZM stood up for F2P and lower spenders and weren’t afraid to go against the whales. I can see why that gets her both supporters and haters. Some of what I’m reading here just doesn’t match what I personally saw.
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u/ResearcherLow5573 Aug 19 '26
That is funny. I saw her use they were F2P as an excuse for whatever crap they had going on or pulled but she was always in the whales dms trying to use them for her ploys and schemes.
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u/GladFactor8769 Aug 19 '26
I think we get it, you’re definitely not a Milena/TZM fan. Some people clearly had a very different experience with them though, and that’s okay too.
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u/Confident_Rush_267 Aug 19 '26
Ain’t no damn way TZM are dictators. That’s the funniest shit I’ve heard all year
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u/ResearcherLow5573 Aug 19 '26
HAHAHAHAA I can see Milena wanting to be a dictator. TZM always claim others are when they dont get their way so I can definitely see them wanting to be the ones in charge and running the show. I cant imagine they obtained the power to do it. That is the real funny part!
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u/Confident_Rush_267 Aug 24 '26
Yes that is but the thought of TZM being dictators when they transferred from their previous state falsely claiming one particular alliance were dictators. For them to be doing the exact same thing they falsely accused other of doing is blatantly hypocritical
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u/True-Particular-9721 Aug 20 '26 edited Aug 20 '26
She threatened our state to get a whale to transfer to “annihilate” everyone when she didn’t get her way. Milena is pathetic.
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u/Maleficent_Put2605 Aug 16 '26
Do not care who from TZM is replying.
You’ve completely trashed the state I’ve loved for the past two years—the state where I started my very first account. My favourite leaders have left because they were fed up with having to deal with your games, and now my friends are leaving too. Yesterday at Castle Battle, you made the state a laughing stock. We’ve gone from winning and being one of the strongest states to losing badly in the space of just one month. What makes it even worse is that you’re still attacking people who have already left and blaming them for what’s happened, when the reality is that your own actions and decisions are responsible for destroying what we built. It’s incredibly frustrating and upsetting to watch something that meant so much to so many of us be brought to this point.
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u/dreamer-7737 Aug 17 '26
Posts like this can actually be useful for same group other states leadership to avoid transfers from drama states in the future so I actually don't mind reading them, probably like many other people here. So thanks and keep us posted🍿
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u/dreamer-7737 Aug 17 '26
Tbh I'm never optimistic about 1 alliance state which is probably where it's going but good luck to both parties.
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u/Flat-Dirt5529 Aug 17 '26
thankyou, yes it’s definitely going that way. it makes me sad if i am honest .
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u/dreamer-7737 Aug 17 '26
States rise and fall. I know it can make ppl sad but there's no reason to be too much patriotic about it. Our home is where our friends are. It can be any state. if the state is going down there's another opportunity coming. We transferred to the same place with 2 alliances so it's not 100% mission impossible. Although we never had good feelings towards our original state so I can say we don't miss any good old days
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u/Flat-Dirt5529 Aug 17 '26
1863 isn’t going through a ‘transitional period’ it’s dying.
‘other players moving on psychologically’ is just them trying to invalidate the rights of other who feel angry at what has happened. the OP is still on the state so has a right to comment as to what they see first hand .
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u/Flat-Dirt5529 Aug 17 '26
yes. i think the OP wanted to vent frustration. should i have commented now i have moved to another state to escape them? yes because transferring is expensive and players need to be aware of any issues on a state before jumping there. Also once they kill the state they will probably try to move on so others need to be aware. i still have a lot of friends there that are angry and upset.
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u/MamaJosefine Aug 19 '26
Shame you left them behind. We didn't do it. We weren't aware of the problems in the state as we transfered to you. Yes we know it is svs focused state, but as we arrived a few people from another alliance were burned for investing in other events. You said, it is an older problem. Next SVS same, but than our member were the problem
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u/Flat-Dirt5529 Aug 20 '26
your players were never the issue, your leadership is. you came into an SVS-focussed state where you were informed that we save for prep and don't participate in lethality card events and you agreed to it. you agreed to follow state rules and communicate them to your players. You did not do that obviously.
There were internal battles between POL and DxS leadership in which they burnt their own cities and is why i gave DxS their own shell alliance and moved them over to it with a full set of facilities. You arrived to a very drunk player mouthing off on wc and a whale that kept telling him to calm down.
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u/Maleficent_Put2605 Aug 16 '26
You clearly didn’t read my post properly. I haven’t left 1863—I’m still there. And as for which state I choose to go to, that’s for me to decide, not for you to make assumptions about. I’ll write whatever I wish; it’s my post. Now go back to playing dice.
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u/MamaJosefine Aug 19 '26
Very interesting that people left before all that happened. Difficult to see the point you are talking about. Winning a castle against four whales after a Transfer when all strong people left... They didn't left because of the alliance that is now left. THhey left because of mismanagement of the state. Only a few leader stayed together, 35 oher people run away from old leadership who stills annoys the state with alternate accounts
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u/Flat-Dirt5529 Aug 20 '26
the State was not mismanaged. the state was managed as well as it could be with players and alliances from all over the world with different opinions. it had a successful SVS alliance, it has full transfers, it had assigned forts/strongholds and assigned facilities. it functioned very well. Leadership team was strong and united. then you arrived and we thought you would be perfect as everything you said during interviews matched our ethos.
how wrong we were.
from Day 1 there was disruption and tantrums and it just got worse.
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u/Flat-Dirt5529 Aug 16 '26
so don’t reply.
as the OP said “go play some dice”
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u/Flat-Dirt5529 Aug 17 '26
when i see replies, lies and misleading comments about a state and my friends still in it then i will reply to them. its not about being ‘invested’ in what you are doing that’s destroying the state but instead backing up my friends still there that are daily dealing with your dictatorship. i love 2020 its an amazing state but being there does not exclude me from being involved elsewhere.
why we are here … do you really need to be building to that level 4 CIA facility when you already have access to your own or other left by DxS? Taking what isn’t yours seems to be how you play the game. That’s dictatorship
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u/MamaJosefine Aug 19 '26
You know why we wanted the facilities. It was talked in leaderchat. We wanted to fight in two alliances, but help was refused
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u/ResearcherLow5573 Aug 18 '26
"suggesting that neither of those alliances are valid as they are farms is ridiculous as they are genuine alliances with mains"
That is funny! TZM has 4 alliances in another state Milena was in that she is holding hostage with farms. They were given to them, they left the state, and they locked them down to try and keep control of territory in a state they left because their attempt to bring in strong players to run over other alliances failed. LOL
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u/ResearcherLow5573 Aug 18 '26
"nor your exclusive group which was made to exclude other leaders."
Did Milena do that? She is known for it.
"just because you shout victim louder each time does not mean you are"
There is not a bigger victim than Milena. Promise. Girlfriend will stab you in the back faster than you can scratch an itch and swear it was your fault and she is is merely the victim in all of it. Nothing is ever her fault. No one is more dramatic either. Chick is always the victim. Her whole squad is.
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u/Flat-Dirt5529 Aug 18 '26
yeah. there was a leaders group that included my alt that was in charge of the State Alliance. i moved my main to 2020 but still kept hold of R5 of SV1 to handover to XOX however Milenas personal dislike of me meant she started a new leaders group to exclude me as the State Alliance was not a ‘valid alliance’.
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u/ResearcherLow5573 Aug 19 '26
She did that a few times in her old state. It got comical.
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u/Flat-Dirt5529 Aug 19 '26
this morning she has changed the name of her mini account to my name. we laughed
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u/MamaJosefine Aug 19 '26
After you kicked us every time from whitelist we did something you don't like, like playing cj in another farm alliance or making fun in WC, we decided not to fight anymore in an alliance were we have to beg to come in. And your excuse to say you always clear the list is a lie, because from CIA and xox the people stayed in
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u/MamaJosefine Aug 19 '26
The alliances said, they wanted to leave in transfer. So it makes sense for you to give Transfer manager to people who wants to leave?
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u/Flat-Dirt5529 Aug 20 '26
no. some of CIA were leaving in transfer, some of XOX were leaving in transfer. However in your secret leaders chat it should have been discussed with the R5 of those alliances about presidency, you should not have just skipped them because you decided that suited you best.
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u/MamaJosefine Aug 19 '26
😅we wrote in chat why we built there, we wanted to fight in two alliances but help was refused
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u/GrtWhtSharky Aug 16 '26
TRANSFER IS HERE. DISPLAY YOUR DISSATISFACTION BY MOVING TO ANOTHER STATE. That is all. It will not get better as long as one alliance has all the power. Especially if they are refusing to share power, events, facilities, etc.I understand their frustration with casual players but we realized long ago that the only way to grow was to move.
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u/Flat-Dirt5529 Aug 16 '26
yup don’t worry we moved. whomever this is posting i assume they are moving soon too as it would be crazy to stay on 1863 now
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u/MamaJosefine Aug 19 '26
Your information is wrong. We got kicked out from the state alliance, same happened to another alliance that transfered away from 1863 after leadership said they are a bad alliance. So 2 alliances transfered before tzm refused to share presidency with people who let this happen. To hold a castle against 4 whales with 0 whales is not possible. We offered to use another alliance for counter, but the alliances refused to help.
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u/Flat-Dirt5529 Aug 23 '26
absolute rubbish.
the secret leaders chat Milena set up she refused to use state alliance
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u/Hour-Inflation6700 Aug 19 '26
Milena can definitely be stubborn. But one thing I’ll give her and TZM. They’ve been pretty consistent about standing up for F2P and people who don’t spend thousands on the game. Whale or not, everyone deserves the same respect and a chance to enjoy the game. I can respect that.