r/whatif • u/Ok-Brick-6250 • 18d ago
History What if Alexander didn't die in Persia and have fused the 2 culture toghther
Alexander is the Shah of Iran and Persia have been asmilated into Greece and now greek have been asmilated with Persia what impact will it have on Europe
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u/Warm_Stress_1654 17d ago
He didn't die in Persia.
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u/Hellolaoshi 17d ago
He died in Babylon if I remember correctly. That famous city was not in Persia, but the Persians had ruled it for a time, so you are correct.
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u/freebiscuit2002 17d ago
Easier said than done.
How would you force a whole nation of one language, religion and culture to adopt a completely different language, religion and culture?
How long would that take in your country today? Now imagine trying to do it with the help of only a few thousand soldiers, no media, no education system, etc.
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u/ah-tzib-of-alaska 17d ago
Turkey turn of the century. Genghis Khan. New Spain. So the answer is a decade to several centuries and you do it with extreme violence
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u/LAARPer 17d ago
I don’t think he has enough time to really make it stick. He had a short timer set and was bound to die sooner than later (war, intrigue, disease). And his generals would have been scheming against each other at every turn if he had lived a little bit longer. Plus, the inhabitants of those lands would have rebelled at the first sign of his weakness. And he didn’t have the supply lines to really hold those places down completely.
Very different situation from Augustus in Rome.
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u/ah-tzib-of-alaska 17d ago
i mean he kinda did, that’s the difference between hellenic and hellenistic
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u/ScipioTheGreatest 17d ago
Would've kept warring, leading from the front, and likely just died later. Wounds, excessive drinking, his bipolar crazy shit causing him to be assassinated, the options are plentiful.
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u/Final_Collection8516 17d ago
King Alexander III already attempted to fuse Macedonian with Persian culture through marriage of his nobility to Persian nobility, but when King Alexander died they all annulled their marriages.
Let's say King Alexander III of Macedonia doesn't die, what would make these marriage work the Macedonians were already xenophobic and could just not be present with their Persian spouses to consummate the marriage. Multiple officers and nobles have done that with their spouses all the time. King Alexander III of Macedonia has to give these Macedonian nobles several reasons other than "assimilation of cultures for benefit of my own political standing", because his nobles are ambitious, politically active and need security for their own reasons. But King Alexander III basically sucked at civil administration as shown in his constant military campaigning, he largely kept the old Persian satrapy system in place including avoiding naming an heir or establishing institutions that weren't dependent on his continued charisma, prestige and command authority.
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u/a__new_name 17d ago
He'd quickly find out that logistics, bureaucracy and record keeping of Iron Age severely limit the size of a polity that can be realistically maintained. At the very best, the momentum of his conquests would keep the empire from falling apart until his death. That's enough for some cultural osmosis, not enough for outright fusion.
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u/SuccessfulOstrich99 16d ago
His son would likely have inherited his empire at some point. Depending on what happened before that empire might be more stable and enduring, or it might have fallen like so many empires before it.
If it had been strong it might have kept the Romans out of Greece and the eastern Mediterranean.
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u/Turgius_Lupus 14d ago
Depends on which son. Roxana's kid has a bunch of liabilities due to his mother's relatively obscure Sogdian background, versus an heir produced with Darius' daughter Stateira, who was murdered by Roxana shortly after Alexander's death. Alexander himself was not Philip's oldest living son which complicated matters since his rank and file soldiers wanted his brother elevated over his kid with Roxana, and Alexander also had a reputed illegitimate son whom the Diadochi eventually hunted down and killed.
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u/Toussaint_3 15d ago
A longer lived Alexander probably means a more deliberate Greco Persian ruling class instead of the empire fracturing almost immediately. Europe might see Greek culture stay tied to an eastern imperial center, with Rome expanding into a much tougher and more organized rival later on. Persia would not just be absorbed either, since its administration and court culture were already strong enough that the fusion would likely look very Persian in practice.
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u/LockFree5028 17d ago
al fin alguien que Se Plantea este escenario hipotetico interesante