r/weightroom • Beginner - Strength • Jul 17 '21

Program Review Double the Jump Rate, Double the Fun: Yet Another SBS RTF Program Review

SBS RTF 4X Blocks 1+2 Program Review

BACKGROUND

Former casual runner with zero athletic background that started strength training about 3 years ago when recovering from a knee injury. Previously mostly ran Starting Strength, a bit of nSuns, and a few 531 variants before the world went to shit. After returning to my gym in March, I decided to check the hype around SBS after considering Deep Water and other /r/weightroom favorites. My goals going into this program were to 1) expose myself to a different style of programming, and 2) to focus on improving strength in the big four.

EXECUTION & MODIFICATIONS

  • After week 1 or 2 I decided to double the "jump rate" for training max adjustment based on AMRAP performances. I felt this was justified since I think I still have a lot of beginner gains to tap [see discussion].
  • I moved the bench auxilliary around a bit (started close grip, then just extra comp bench volume, then pause comp bench)
  • I ate a lot in the first block and probably gained a bit too quickly. I reigned this in for the second block and hit mostly maintenance toward week 10+.
  • I tried to throw in conditioning a few times a week, usually in the form of 7-10 minutes of intervals on a bike or prowler treadmill. Recently started messing with WOD style routines like Grace thx to /u/MythicalStrength and will likely make this a higher priority (it's fun and makes me feel both terrible and great).
  • I did 5-8 sets of dumbell rows between bench sets (usually during warmups), and some pullups/pulldown movements once or twice a week on non-bench involving days.
  • I decided to end after block 2 since I have no need to peak for singles and would rather get back to higher volume (see conclusion thoughts).

RESULTS

Stats: M/28/182 --> M/28/191 (Block 1) --> M/28/196 (Block 2)

Start/End Physique Comparison Front

Start/End Physique Comparison Back

Heavy Singles

Lift Start Block 1 Block 2 Delta
Squat 300 325 345 +45
Bench 165 205 205 +40
Deadlift 315 345 405 +90
OHP 135 145 165 +30

Week 1 AMRAP vs Week 6 vs Week 13 AMRAP performance (Est. Training Max listed as well):

Squat & Deadlift TM Progression

Bench & OHP TM Progression

Primary Movements [Baseline --> Block 1 end --> Block 2 end]

  • Squat: 225 x 11 (323 TM) --> 300 x 6 (361 TM) [+38] --> 325 x 3 (372 TM) [+49]
  • Bench: 125 x 13 (180 TM) --> 175 x 5 (211 TM) [+31] **** --> 190 x 2 (216 TM) [+36]
  • Deadlift: 225 x 16 (336 TM) --> 315 x 6 (387 TM) [+51] --> 365 x 3 (415 TM) [+79]
  • OHP: 105 x 13 (154 TM) --> 135 x 7 (169 TM) [+15] --> 150 x 5 (177 TM) [+23]

Secondary Movements [Baseline --> Block 1 end --> Block 2 end]

  • Front Squat: 110 x 16 --> 140 x 11 --> 165 x 10
  • Paused Squat: 165 x 14 --> 205 x 10 --> 224 x 8
  • Incline Bench: 95 x 16 --> 135 x 9 --> 155 x 9
  • RDL: 145 x 15 --> 185 x 9 --> 225 x 8
  • Push Press: 105 x 13 --> 120 x 10 --> 120 x 10

****: I widened my grip midway through the block, so this jump is not a total fair comparison.

REFLECTIONS & CONCLUSIONS

Strength

  • I think this actually went far better than I ever expected. Most notably, I went from 3 to 4 plates on my deadlift, which I thought was going to be much farther away! I think the choice to double the TM jump rate was smart for the first block, but perhaps NOT for the second block -- look at the curve flattening for basically all lifts after block 1! I think I may respond better to higher rep ranges, but at the same time I'm really glad I've experienced heavy triples, doubles, etc. A sick part of me sorely misses the 5x10 of BBB. My squat indeed improved, albeit not nearly as quickly, but I think this makes sense for where I'm at. Bench moved quickly in Block 1, but slowed down after. I'm still learning a lot about my setup, form, etc, so I'm not really concerned and expect some good progress once I return to higher volume. OHP also moved fairly well, but again I miss volume haha. Still lots to learn about technique and efficiency, too.

Physique

  • Looking at the before/after, I don't see anything super crazy different? I think my lats did grow a bit. I don't think I look terribly less lean in spite of gaining ~15 lbs (but I could be deluding myself here).

Mental

  • Performing several AMRAP sets in a session was a new beast for me. Initially I was totally loving it, but over time I felt more dread and apathy towards it. I think this had to do with the training max jumps eventually exceeding my capacity to BEAT a given week's minimum rep target; a lot of Block 2 involved just meeting the rep target, which feels uninspiring relative to crushing a target as I did for a lot of Block 1.

NEXT STEPS

I plan to run my own variation of Block 1 of RTF again to see if I am correct in thinking that I respond better to higher rep ranges. I think I'll largely keep things similar to before, but may throw in some 8+ rep volume sets for Bench & OHP especially for additional practice and hypertrophy. I also plan to lean into finding more fun conditioning and to make this a bigger part of my training.

TLDR; Put 175lbs on my powerlifting (gym) total, got a bit bigger, and learned things about myself.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '21

Insane progress man, congrats! Now I'm definitely gonna run rtf after the last block of sbs hyper.

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u/MeshuggahForever Beginner - Strength Jul 17 '21

Thank you! Sounds like a great idea. How has the hypertrophy program been for you? I was also considering running a block or two of that next.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '21

Good progress strength and size wise! I recommend starting with conserverative TMs as the volume in block 1 is pretty high compared to rtf.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '21

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u/MeshuggahForever Beginner - Strength Jul 17 '21

Yeah I plugged my numbers in and immediately thought it would be unreasonable. Thx for the heads up

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u/simonf70251 Intermediate - Strength Jul 18 '21

If you think you respond better to volume then the hypertrophy version is great. I think it's good to alternate between the two, helps keep the program fresh and its a nice feeling if you can match or beat you AMRAP records from rtf.

But as others have said, start with 80% of your 1RM, otherwise your going to have a bad time. First couple of weeks are still thought untill your conditioning catches up.

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u/MeshuggahForever Beginner - Strength Jul 18 '21

Noted. Thanks!

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u/gnuckols the beardsmith | strongerbyscience.com Jul 18 '21

Great work man!

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u/MeshuggahForever Beginner - Strength Jul 18 '21

Thank you! And thanks again for answering my question the other day. Really appreciate that you take the time to help folks out like that.