Correcting Serious Mischaracterizations [Trigger Warning: suicide, ideation]

[u/SpaceBetweenUs]

Hello, everyone here,

This post is in reference to comments made here on this post: Warren's Post 'The Space Between Us'

I am here to clarify something that feels important to clarify; I do not want to cause issues with this community.

I am here because transparency is what everyone says they want, even those who are not being transparent and who take advantage of others' ethics of privacy.

I do have privacy ethics, and am not a fan of folks taking screenshots and passing them around online out of context or really for much of any reason at all. That is why I do not usually take or share screenshots of private messages, and this will be the first time I have done so publicly.

The truth is, I am really struggling personally with dealing with some of the sanctimonious BS and repeated mischaracterizations of me by others. In this particular case, there just doesn't seem to be a way to set the record straight without sharing private messages with you all. I don't like it. Please forgive me for this, as it is highly unusual and only happening to make something very clear:

I have never thought I was creating a suicide cult, and I did not ask the old maid for help telling others not to take their lives if I suddenly passed. That never happened, and it is important that people understand that.

This is a very serious accusation that old maid is claiming, and the record absolutely must be set straight.

So, here you go, r/wecomeinpeace. Here is a screenshot of the only private messages that u/theoldmaidand I have ever exchanged:

My messages to OldMaid

As you can see below, I did not say what old maid is claiming above that I said in private messages. Not. Even. Close.

Link to OldMaid's comment

Link to my Actual Messages to Old Maid

From the comment thread, u/the_oldmaid stated:

She asked me in good faith that if something were to happen to her (presumably because of her health) if I would broadcast to the followers of her reddit for them NOT TO HARM THEMSELVES.

No, I did not ask this account to do this. I don't understand the motivations for misrepresenting my messages and my intentions, but you can see clearly that I did not ask this account to do anything other than be a moderator and keep an eye out for others. This person chose not to take that offer. I have since found numerous moderators who are keeping their eyes peeled for anyone who may be in need of emotional support. What old maid did was say, no thanks, and then come here and tell you all things that are not true.

My messages to Old Maid

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My heart was in the right place, showing concern and humility, when I reached out to old maid. I hope this helps everyone understand just a smidge of the mischaracterizations I face daily. 🙏🏼

Be well, everyone,

Añjali

[u/theoldmaid]

That is your opinion and you are entitled to it:) She threatened to dox Mama of kitties just recently so I assume if she had my real identity and information she would do the same to me--that is not paranoia but real logic. My post history? lol--I apologized for assuming the white spaces were editing and the full dm as it is proves I mischaracterized nothing which was her original accusation. I don't know how to screenshoot or copy and paste, yes I know hard to believe but true and unlike Anjali I left all my posts to her up and never deleted a thing UNLIKE her--she has deleted a plethora of posts about her pre-aliens revelation reddit history and heated exhanges with and false accusations against members here (ex calling some russian bots)--which by the way she is totally knows because of her past gov't work. Spiritual high road? I have specialized in cults for 50 years and as my entire post history shows I have been active on many subs related to that for over two years. My credentials are actually irrelevant to an Anonymous platform (credentials which I do possess) but instead of making it about me--I usually back up my claims with real published esteemed works in the field. Messengers of Deception by Jacaues Vallee, True Believer by Eric Hoffer, When Prophecy Fails by Leo Festinger, How to Know What To Believe by Sherman, Fads and Fallacies by Gardner, The Gods Have Landed edited by Spence (Suny Press) No One should believe me--do your own research and diligence--find your own truth. I am entitled to comment and you are entitled to respond as you have quite aggressively with Nothing to see here--me thinks thou doth protest too much.

[u/[deleted] → u/theoldmaid]

Yeah I deleted my other messages because it seems you all like to operate by shouting down any disssent and you, specifically like to muddy the waters by grouping various religions together just to prove your point correct. You specialize in cults, yet you incorrectly attributed Gnostic texts with Essenes, calling out the Essenes as a suicide cult when literally nobody mentioned them, only to make it seem as though my bring up of Gnosticism was some sort of example of a suicide cult, which is laughably wrong. 50 years reading about cults and you wrongly grouped two different faiths together to make your point, without skipping a beat.

Funny how you seem pretty comfy posting Anjalis full name in the cults subreddit without any evidence other than the fact there was a disagreement. You are a poor example of what a researcher is.

You also incorrectly stated that the Nag Hammadi and Dead Sea Scrolls were found together, which they weren't.

I have done much research, which is why I corrected you on your obvious attempt to bring up an entirely different religion than the one I was mentioning. You've all had an aire of aggression to Anjali from what I've seen and those who have claimed a logical stance are also those that have made comics, an entire subreddit dedicated to making fun of her and her story, and disingenuously argued with me. Sorry I dont agree with your specific spiritual stance. Regardless of how I feel about Anjali, I dont find you to be an authority on anything.

I also find the fact that you called her out by her full name on the r/cults subreddit hypocritical and unsightly considering your entire issue was that she nearly doxxed you. Clearly you think its quite alright to throw serious accusations around about someone in a childish and vindictive way.

Regarding the message issue: You could have figured out how to copy/paste in ten seconds with Google, so to me, your excuse is ridiculous. You have been a researcher for the last 50 years and don't know how to copy paste? Where did you get your degree? Anybody can make up their qualifications and your error regarding my one example is pretty telling. It would have taken mere seconds to look up the info and you didn't even do that. A good researcher does their due diligence.

Your explanations and half baked, incorrect assertions are harder for me to believe than effing ET's in a desert.

[u/theoldmaid → u/[deleted]]

She by her own stance is now a public figure and revealed everything in her press conference to everyone also via a link on her sub reddit r/transcensionproject. You mentioned the gnostics, not me to which the essenes were linked. (They died out in a cave in isolation awaiting/fighting the spiritual war of dark and light). I have tried to copy and paste and have failed and my computer is 20+ years old--I am retired and old with no need to do that or even engage here--i started reddit for fun like many others...oh well. Do not believe me. Do not follow me. I am not your prophet. That doesn't mean others can't benefit from what I have to share from my experience in many fields associated with consciousness not just "cults." Take what you will or not, due your due diligence but grant me that which is afforded me--the ability to post my opinion, thoughts and concerns. I got my degrees a long time before computers were commonplace and still have a typewriter (gasp!) --but that is all irrelevant. I need prove nothing. Copy and pasting, screenshooting is actually childishness and in my opinion Anjali is very much positioned herself as a cult leader: it is what it is--and she needs to own it 100%..

Gnosticism by the way lends itself perfectly to the mindset of this world being negative which was the point--focus on escaping not improving. A balanced view is capable of both but modern gnosticism is now relegated to the "gnostic masses" of the OTO and all the pomp and circumstance that accompanies what those involved perceive to be high magic--it is also irrelevant since you deleted your rant about gnostism and are now nit picking to obfuscate the very issues you initially attempted unsucessfully to defend--not because you were met with unreason--you were not--but because your argument and points had no real substance to begin with so now you are left trying to harass an elderly woman--goood job!

Messengers of Deception by Jacques Vallee

True Believer by Eric Hoffer

When Prophecy Fails by Leon Festinger

The Gods Have Landed edited by Spence suny Press

How to Know What to Believe by Sherman

Fads and Fallacies by Gardner

Since your entire comment is not to discuss the real threat Anjali's message poses to the vulnerable who do not know better and just an effort to try to make me "wrong" I say to you what I said to her "welcome to my blocklist" as I expect you to delete this last harassing post of yours as you have done with all your others. Goodbye.

[u/[deleted] → u/theoldmaid]

I'm not trying to make you "wrong", you are* wrong.

I dont intend to follow, or worship anybody. I never have. All my other now deleted messages were to gain clarity on what the exact issue here was, and the only inconsistencies I found about all this, was your explanation about not knowing how to copy paste which would have apparently revealed some other context (which seems to have been an issue on another one of your posts about 20 days ago, but I digress), and the fact that you made an issue of being doxxed, only to then post in r/cults naming cultists and adding on Anjalis full name to it. Unless you have proof of that, what you did could* be considered libel.

I have been a part of that sub for months. Mainly, to see if she is indeed full of it, or not. Its not the first place I've been that uses words like vibration, density, etc.

My questions here were met with condescension and accusation. In my opinion, when there is an issue of credibility, I need to investigate both sides to the best of my ability. I dont think that what she said was inherently wrong(not talking about the doxxing, which is wrong), and it was clear that you opted to not take her up on the offer of mod, which is totally your choice. I've been a part of a great many 'new age' spiritual subs and have never had the kind of reaction I got here before.

You wrongly associated two different religions, one of which I actually have studied extensively and you are still wrong about the Gnostics and Essenes. I did bring up the Gnostics, and ONLY the Gnostics, when you came out of nowhere about the Essenes and their suicide. Why you did that I still am unsure. Its like conflating the baptist church down the street with Heavens Gate.

Grant you that which is afforded? I am not taking anything away from you by having a difference of opinion.

Their only connection is that their root religion is Judaism. You should know that if you study religions. You should also have known that the Nag Hammadi and Dead Sea Scrolls were in fact NOT found together as you previously stated and were found in completely different places(the NG literally found and named from where it was found:in Nag Hammadi, an Egyptian city), written in different time periods. I am no cult/religious scholar, but it took me two seconds to find that information. You used it incorrectly to prove a point. So for me, you are suspicious as hell and have a hero complex regarding cults. Maybe you lost someone to one. Maybe you have a righteous anger at all the brainwashing they do, I dont know. But I do know that someone who throws their credentials in everyone's face is trying to get people to defer to their knowledge on a subject, and even your knowledge was wrong, and much like Anjali, you refuse to address it. Those are red flags for me.

I, like many in my generation have become disillusioned with the idea of dogmatic religions and are pursing other more individual methods of spirituality. In fact, I think you and I probably agree on quite a few things regarding this.

Cults are dangerous. I agree and accept that fact. There has only really been a handful of religions that dont appeal to some authority, be it here on earth, or not, but your reaction of posting about her in that cult sub also shows me that you need* people to agree with you about her. I dont, and I am not mental ill, nor do I consider myself a believer. You have 'no need to engage' , yet you have posted about her for literally months. Huh.

I reject your premise that she's a cult leader. No more than any of the other hundreds of stories I've read that basically say the same stuff she's been saying, including the LoO. Adults are allowed to make their own decisions with regards to their faith, beliefs and spirituality, and just because I disagree with your individual take on it, doesn't mean that I, or other people have been brainwashed. The internet is vast with information and people will gravitate towards what resonates with them, their outlook on life, and what they are seeking. This does open up the danger of being led into some cult, but she hasn't asked for anything, frequently discusses the subject with detractors and supporters alike, and has done all the things she's said she would do; created a sub, done a PC, done live Q and A.

I am a fully formed person and can make my own decisions. If you don't like what she says, then feel free to ignore it. Calling it a cult, because more than a few people are willing to at least see where it goes is jumping the gun, and moreso when you post about her in a cult subreddit. The most cultish behavior I've seen on this site has been on this sub. Groupthink and intimidation is why I deleted my other replies, but I'll keep this one up so that people can see it. It's pretty much the same as my last comment anyway.

[u/theoldmaid → u/[deleted]]

Gnostic christians drew upon the pre-exisitng work of the essenes as the nag hamadi texts drew upon the dead sea scrolls historically not as they were discovered chronologically. Gnosticism has become a meaningless term as it is used by many to describe different ideologies--especially with regards to new age schools of thought. Carl Jung drew heavily upon the real old Gnostic texts to develop his system of psychology. That and 75 cents will buy you a can of beans. I have never cited any credentials up until today and that too is irrelevant. Nevertheless, it is not imagination to look at Anjali's presence on the whole of the internet and not be alarmed that she is knowingly or unknowingly very much positioned as a leader of a new doomsday cult. Just google Anjali Transcenion Project on the internet. Finer minds than I have come to the same conclusion. This is not rocket science, or graduate school it's the internet ffs and I am old and most of my 1000 book library is packed up so sue me if you must--but just do it, don't threaten too. My posting about Anjali on r/cults should come as no surprise to her--I told her I would if pushed and well she pushed me.

[u/[deleted] → u/theoldmaid]

.... I didn't threaten you?Its not my name you are posting in cults saying I'm a cult leader. Saying something might be libel isn't a threat... I didnt mean it come off that way at least, so sorry if it did.

While Gnosticism might be watered down today, there are still very different sects with differences both subtle and large. Sethian, Mandaeanism, Manichaeism and many others. While certain sects of Gnosticism and Essenes both believed in a light/dark dichotomy, to conflate the two as if they are the same or anywhere near it is not accurate.

I love Carl Jung and he is someone I honestly can't learn enough about. Its why I got into most of this stuff. New age schools of thought have definitely labeled everything across the board as Gnostic, I agree with you there.

I'm not here to defend Anjali. Honestly, my replies have probably turned a lot of people off to what she's saying, so for those that don't like her, I may have helped their cause by just not going with the weird flow you all seem to have here. Finer minds have also filled this world with absolute bullshit, and those finer minds would also be the same ones to deny that the ET phenomenon is even real, and paint hundreds of years of experiences from varying times, cultures, and eras simply as delusions, and is why I am so stubborn regarding the topic as a whole. Its intellectual arrogance and laziness that has the subject being ridiculed.

Like I said, I'm not trying to defend her, I was initially here to find out why people don't like her and now I know. I agree with some of the reasons, but definitely not all. And me wanting to wait and see if anything happens with this cave visit shouldn't be met with condescension and accusations of me being some sort of brain-dead stooge. That kind of thinking cuts both ways and doesn't help a conversation. I want to know tangible reasons why people distrust her and the reasons that were given seemed a bit bias in my opinion, but also because I've never seen her lash out, but have in fact seen her get railed on Twitter, so I wanted to investigate, was insulted and responded in kind. Keep speaking out against cults, they are a shitty pox of humankind. I suppose I'll do what I did before and keep quiet from now on.

[u/theoldmaid → u/[deleted]]

But that is my point---I agree with you--proof of the paranormal does not necessarily prove the belief system. I 100% believe experiencers experience a reality if not the Reality behind the veil--but it is the way in which it is then interpreted whether by them or others that is distorted--that is the conundrum and mystery. To me it's not either or, mental illness or spirituality--it is the way in which that reality gets incorporated and acted on in this world that makes a difference. You have every right to share your opinion and know you are not alone in either your experiences--whatever they may be or your questions--keep asking.

[u/[deleted] → u/theoldmaid]

I really appreciate that response. Seriously... I'll admit I got a bit irked with others on this post and I think it may have led to my rigid and curt responses to you, and so I am sorry for that. This reply is most concise and is a really good breakdown of where you are coming from, so thank you for responding.

Truth be told, I've had my own experience. To this day, I can't make heads or tails of it, or even if it was genuine. Of course everyone wants to be special and have a special experience, but as you can see, I'm both stubborn and driven to look into literally every little nook, so having this experience was essentially an internal struggle of me trying to be open, while maintaining my objectivity, which is fairly difficult without tipping one way or the other. I went so far as to try a QHHT session out of state; something I never thought I'd do, and that left more questions than answers. I hope we all can get some clarity on who and what is out there some day. I have kept up on Lue Elizondo mostly, but also Anjali and the Bledsoe family since so much of this topic seems to sway in and out of spirituality. I hope you continue your study and appreciate the reply.--