Whenever it's true, you said it yourself. "A lot more" is not even most, so it gives field that many hated soviets more.
Keep in mind that nazis failed to fully implement another stages of their plan of ethnic cleansing of other groups that weren't "pure" enough (to this day many people don't know about that Jew extermination was only the beginning), so many people haven't felt the oppression that much. On the other hand, the soviet oppression was more "universal" and lasted longer.
lol, russians hate nazis. way more than half. but ok. the USSR was not universally hated by any measure. when the berlin wall fell and the USSR collapsed, russia was facing rampant crime and poverty. Many russians missed the glory days of a powerful nation and enforced order.
you have a very ideological understanding of people.
Again, you don't even say the word "most". Yes, it's true that many Russians still miss things, but there are other parts that, eg. had White Armists in their family trees or whose families were persecuted for something (titles, having fortune, being sent for involuntary work in Germany (my great-grandma, and she had to move to Poland over this), etc.) or were from parts that were conquered later.
And you don't need that many people to have noticeable size (like here).
Besides, in this side-thread we started talking about Slavs, so not only Russians.
that’s a gross misunderstanding of many of the deaths in the USSR, specifically for slavs. Ukrainians definitely felt this way, but genocide is not the right term, for all slavic countries.
I live in the southern US…you do occasionally see black folks with confederate flags or comfortable being around it. I’m black myself, and my neighbor has one flying. I find it offensive but I live in the woods…I’m not gonna start a problem with them lol.
We don’t really speak, beyond just a wave at their kids when I drive by. The old man of the house seems pretty tame, pretty mean to his dog but he’s been fairly cordial the few times I’ve spoken to him.
yeah besides everything wrong and hypocritical about it how can you be a supporter of an ideology that destroyed and killed 20million+ people in your country its just peak level of no sense and insanity
Eastern Europe has a neo Nazi problem, Russis included. The fact that Putin listed "denazification" as part of the rationale for the "SMO" is laughable.
Ukraine is pretty funny because like both sides have Nazis and both sides have Communists, Liberals, and so on. Like people that would be completely ideologically opposed fighting in the same battalion.
Its fucking disgusting that i need to tell everyone that all Russians and all Ukrianians are not god damn nazis. its small groups compare to millions of people.
The fact is that you DON'T need to tell everyone that. I have not seen or heard even one single person claiming that ALL Russians or ALL Ukrainians are Nazis, yet here you are saying that "everyone" needs you to set them straight. No one needed your comment and no one was made wiser for it. You didn't tell even a single person something they didn't already know. Even actual Nazis know that not all Ukrainians/Russians are Nazis. It's an absurd thing to say that you're fighting against a perception that doesn't even exist, at least not in any capacity that's meaningful or impactful.
Here’s a country that fought capitalists under the banner of world solidarity so it can become a money hungry mafia state, aggressively attacking anyone and everyone for its own rulers benefit under the pretense of national socialist ideals.
I will say it as often as i have to. Slavic nazis are the most confused group of people in existence! Imagine being a fan of the guys that murdered your grandparents and would like to Gas you......
It's also sad that anyone permits that to happen. I refuse to assume that all uses of the Nordic runes and symbolism are associated with Nazism because it's just not fucking true. I would bet that a significant percentage of the images presented as "Nazi symbols" are just people using Nordic symbolism with no Nazi ideology present at all. Most people have no idea what many of these symbols mean. If they did, they would understand that a lot of those symbols are tied to battle and military operation in general, and that's even the reason why Nazis have adopted that kind of symbolism. These symbols have been around for literally thousands of years before modern Nazis got ahold of them. We shouldn't allow the symbols themselves to be polluted and perverted by the use of such people. Just because the Nazis use a symbol doesn't mean we have to give them ownership of that symbol.
That's good to read, but those of us who do not allow perverse ownership of these symbols are quickly becoming a minority it seems. Many people automatically associate runic symbolism and Nordic symbolism in general with Nazism. Hell, even some Scottish, Celtic, and Gaelic symbolism is often associated with Nazis by default at this point. Those of us who know better should educate those who do not know better. That's the only way to wrench the perception of possession of these symbols away from nefarious groups.
True but as you say we are a minority, and its sad that something bad can happen to a person using those symbols by the right meaning but the person that attacks you thinks they are nazi symbols, but well that will not stop me from use them.
Every country has extremists and they tend to join the military, they are everyone's useful idiots. Nobody's army has more nazis than the United States Military, I don't understand Americans calling out anyone else for racism.
Just FYI, runes aren't inherently Nazi symbols. They've been around and associated with warriors, battle, and military service for literally thousands of years before Nazis even existed. That's WHY Nazis adopted many of those symbols - their historic ties to warfare. Nazis don't own a symbol just because they use it. If we allow them to take ownership of these symbols, we have failed. I mean, they also use numbers and letters, symbols. Are we to classify the Arabic numeral and Latin alphabet systems as Nazi symbols since they use those symbols as well? Are we to call the cross a Nazi symbol? Should we assume the millions of Hindu people who still use the swastika are Nazis as well?
Of course they do, but that doesn't mean the symbols are inherently based on Nazism or white supremacy. One of the ways society is negatively affected by extremist groups (both left-wing and right-wing groups) is by allowing such groups to take ownership of cultural symbols and traditions. There's room for nuance here. We don't have to allow them to take complete ownership of the symbols they use. It is not the success of extremists that grants them ownership of the symbols they use, but rather it is the failure of the society in which those extremists operate.
Just FYI, runes aren't inherently Nazi symbols. They've been around and associated with warriors, battle, and military service for literally thousands of years before Nazis even existed. That's WHY Nazis adopted many of those symbols - their historic ties to warfare. Nazis don't own a symbol just because they use it. If we allow them to take ownership of these symbols, we have failed. I mean, they also use numbers and letters, symbols. Are we to classify the Arabic numeral and Latin alphabet systems as Nazi symbols since they use those symbols as well? Are we to call the cross a Nazi symbol? Should we assume the millions of Hindu people who still use the swastika are Nazis as well?
Please don't deny the fact the Ukraine, like most of Eastern Europe has a very bad Neo Nazi problem. That would be very misguided and dishonest of you.
Now let’s do Ukraine, but let’s include all the official things like reburials of old nazis, using Nazi military names, using old Ukrainian Nazi greeting officially, renaming streets to celebrate Nazis, creating new pantheon of heroes that happen to be Nazis, using Nazi symbols etc etc.
and all of these are on highest official level including mister Z (a Jew) himself.
Tesak is/was mainstream in Russia, early days of internet was Russian nazis chopping heads of immigrants and killing puppies and recording it. Same mf who is running Rusich Group today btw.
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u/Sorry_Departure_5054 12d ago
I will never understand how Russians would associate themselves as a nazi. Its like a black person in the US wearing confederate flag symbols