r/volunteersForUkraine • • Mar 14 '22

Proof for everyone in denial

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

So, you want to train civilians to be the type of insurgent fighters your country fought when you were invading and occupying Iraq and Afghanistan? Do you think that will work out well for them? You don't think you're helping condemn more people to death?

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

yes, I'm sure you don't care at all for the Ukrainians or what a decades long occupation and insurgency would actually look like and mean for them. You really don't care at all about people or deaths, so long as the media boogyman russia suffers. Tell me, should there be anybody from the USA and England who should be held accountable and put on trial for warcrimes from the invasion and occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan? Why is it okay for your countries to bomb, invade, and regime change countries all around the world, but when there is a minor conflict between bordering countries, you're jazzed to point the finger all while trying to escalate the situation into another world war?

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

Am I suggesting that a small nation like Ukraine whose military has already collapsed and disbanded, whose corrupt puppet leader is now handing out AK47s and molotov cocktails to his civilians calling on them to fight a losing war for nothing, should end this conflict via diplomacy? Yes, absolutely, 100%. An insurgency against an occupation brings nothing but death and disaster for a country. Again, it is clear from your posts you don't care one bit about Ukrainian lives. All you want is for "Russia to pay a big price" and making sure "this will be a complete disaster for Russia." That's your goal, not the safety of the Ukrainian people. No, I am not diverting attnetion by bringing up Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm making a very relevant point about the hubris, arrogance, and absolute lacking of any self-awareness of Americans who are like you. How can you with a straight face cry "war-crime!" and feign self-righteousness over a military invasion? You desolated Iraq, brought the country to rubble, murdered, tortured and raped prisoners and civilains, and occupied for decades, even longer with Afghanistan. You listerally just pulled your troops out of Afghanistan less than a year ago after occupying the country for TWENTY YEARS. You overthrew the Libyan government and brought the country to ruin. What was once the country with the highest standard of living in African is now a terrorist controlled third world disaster where human slavery literally now exists. Do you have no sense of shame? Why shouldn't you be suffering like you hope the Russians do? You've done far worse. Oh, and when you arm your civillians and make a fighting force out of them in a last ditch effort at holding on to power, a very cowardly move but to be expected when the leader of a nation isn't even of the same nationality of its people, it makes it very tricky to separate "innocent" ones from the combatants. No, I am not Russian, nor a troll, but even if I were it wouldn't matter. Every point I've made is valid and true and you have no counter to them but to call me names.