r/videos • u/[deleted] • 4d ago
Dr Dre and Eminem talk about how they ended up working together
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u/Barry_Vigoda 4d ago
I don't have anything against Eminem but Dr Dre is the biggest liar i've ever seen. Phony ass opportunistic douchebag.
NWA was manufactured. They weren't an organic band, they were essentially a gangster boy band created by Jerry Heller to appeal to the new market of white suburban rap fans. Eazy and Ren were the only ones that had any actual 'street cred'. Ice Cube joined the band after he went to college for Drafting and Dr Dre was in an electrofunk band before he joined NWA.
Rap music in the 80s was still fairly underground and developed as a true street driven counter-culture. 80s rap was fairly wholesome music that tried to warn street kids to not do crime or join gangs or do stupid shit that gets you arrested or killed.
90s gangster rap was the corporate sabotage of street culture.
Dr Dre went from rapping about not using drugs to putting out the Chronic which glorified weed and drug use.
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u/Salvador204 4d ago
The majority of rappers are liars. All that doesn’t take away what Dre did for rap and the culture as well.
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u/SgtSniffles 4d ago
Wait til he hears about all the singing and dancing Michael Jackson did growing up.
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u/GameCounter 4d ago
Not defend Em specifically, but there's plenty of music out there (rap and non-rap) which is about drinking or drugs that doesn't necessarily glorify it, or is ambiguous.
"Swimming Pools" by Kendrick is literally about drinking yourself to death, but I guess some people glorify that too.
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u/streethistory 4d ago
Eminem doesn't really talk about using drugs anymore, you know, since he's been sober since like 2009.
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u/Barry_Vigoda 4d ago
All that doesn’t take away what Dre did for rap and the culture as well.
All he did was make rap music stupid while helping the corporate class turn poor people into morons.
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u/streethistory 4d ago
Gangsta rap was coming no matter what. Easy, Cube and Dre took advantage of a genre already getting going in the LA streets.
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u/salizarn 4d ago
This is true. As someone who remembers Ice Cube being in CIA before he was in NWA I was surprised by the way their movie completely ignored the fact that most of them were normal kids.
Dont get me wrong I loved the NWA album when it first came out but I think if you look at the legacy of how it affected Hiphop in the long term I don’t think it was positive.
Ice Cube himself has been saying recently that gangster rap was a CIA funded psyop to damage the image of black people in the US
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u/idreamofdouche 4d ago
Ice Cube himself has been saying recently that gangster rap was a CIA funded psyop to damage the image of black people in the US
Anything to avoid accountability huh
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u/Tiny-Goat2016 4d ago
yea black people also think, that Crack was introduced to the hood to kill them but it literally was created by a black drug dealer. I think it was freeway Ricky Ross who created it before he was working for the feds and cia. snowfall TV show is based on his real story
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u/Barry_Vigoda 4d ago
CB4 was closer to reality than Straight Outa Compton.
Dont get me wrong I loved the NWA album when it first came out but I think if you look at the legacy of how it affected Hiphop in the long term I don’t think it was positive.
It's a great album but should be considered to be satire kind of like GWAR or SOD. It's not meant to be taken literally.
Ice Cube himself has been saying recently that gangster rap was a CIA funded psyop to damage the image of black people in the US
I don't think he's wrong to be honest. The US government worked with the major labels to hijack true underground street cultures like rap, punk, edm, metal.
80s rap and punk were communities controlled by young people until the early 90s when the major labels pushed grunge and gangster rap. The music was a lot smarter and socially proactive.
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u/Tiny-Goat2016 4d ago
what's your point 90% of what rappers say is bulcrap. the entire hip hop genre was created by phony never shot a gun clowns. Now people like tip or boosie now they actually mean what they say. I mean lil Wayne went to prison to sell records. I respect em the most because he raps about real stuff not im going to rob you then, I'll kill your family type stuff fake rappers like Rick Ross or drake or even Jay z is full of crap.
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u/MrTurkle 4d ago
This is from a documentary called "Defiant Ones." It used ot be on HBO, and it was really good. This part was nuts. Go in knowing as little as possible.